my Tunnels and Trolls world so far

JimP

I'm in FT3 making decisions. Etc.

I keep selecting the wrong icons and have lowered when I meant to raise, etc.

Anyway, this is the jpg in ft3. Yes, the island, etc. whatever at the top looks kinda like a snail. I'm going to try and leave it that way.

900 pixels of a 5000 pixel wide map.

Loopysue

Looks like an interesting world you're working on, Jim

JimP

Here are more changes. The center bit where it looks a mess of islands... is a mess from picking lower when I meant raise, and raising when I meant lower. But I like the look and might leave it that way.

edit: I'm not sure how that vertical lines of hills got on the center continent... maybe I'll keep that to.

Loopysue

Jim - I can see a problem arising now that you have done some more work on this map. There is a clear vertical line developing in the middle of the map. I think this may be what others have called 'the wrap line' over on the FB group page. If it is, then that's where the two ends of the underlying fractal world meet.

Please can you open the Map Projection dialog and just check that the top two numbers in these boxes are zero? If they are not, save your FT3 file first and then try setting them to zero. It may damage your editing, since it will shift the underlying roughness of the base map sideways, and it's up to you if you want to leave the line where it is or not. The thing is, though, that if you don't move it back to the edges you will get quite noticeable marks on that line in the end result.

Loopysue

It will move everything - including your work, so this is a decision that only you can make.

JimP

I'll check, but it is possible I did that manually as a big glaring mistake.

JimP

Yes, they are all zeros. It is was me that did that.

I printed your help to pdf in case it happens again.

Loopysue

How about the North Pole Position settings in the World Settings dialog secondary tab? Are they also at zero?

JimP

Yes, those are zeros as well.

I used the lower and raise preset tools to break the line up.

Loopysue

I can't think of any other reasons the unofficially named 'wrap line' would have moved into the centre like that.

It's very strange.

JimP

I looked at earlier jpgs, and it looks like my editing did it.

Loopysue

Well, ok. If you are happy that its not a problem

JimP

I'm not going to mention how it looks in Wilbur. I am moving on...

JimP

Ah, saved it as 16-bit gray scale png. Savced again as bmp, then converted to jpg.

The above png is 47 megs and the bmp is 137 megs.

This 900 pixel jpg is 45 kilobytes.

Loopysue

It's very difficult to tell what it really looks like from the size of the image, and from the colour scheme being used, but congratulations on completing the Wilbur part of the process

JimP

I do wonder where some of the mountains went. I have a series of mbr files if I need to go back a ways.

Loopysue

It might be that you forgot to set the altitude span each time, but it's no great disaster if you saved versions all the way through.

JimP

I have been thinking about going back to the FT3 mbr export and starting the wilbur items over from the beginning.

Loopysue

The beauty of saving so many versions is that you can if you wish do exactly that.

In the meantime I've copied those notes I made above about the 'wrap line' into a revised version of the Supplementary Notes so that they don't get lost - if you want to download and reinstall the issue, they should all be there in the right place for you

JimP

Thanks.

Loopysue

You're welcome, though it's Ralf you need to thank. I couldn't have done it without his consent and work to alter the installer

JimP

I thank you both.

I figured out where the vertical line came from. Looking at my original mbr file, there is a square on the ocean floor I accidently added and didn't edit out.

Now, to expunge it from my map. Well, the ft3 map.

JimP

I've decided to use a world already done in ft3.

Loopysue

You mean a synthetic world?

If so, you don't have to worry about adjusting the 180 meridian like you do with a hand sculpted world. There's not such a join problem with a synthetic world

The instructions in the main Mapping Guide are the ones you need to follow.

JimP

I have had more car problems which I think we solved so it's hard to concentrate on maps.

JimP

Okay. Working a bit on the ft3 world today.

JimP

Looking at this one. I noticed when I 'save as' the jpg, at 5000 x 2500, there is a huge white border around the map. So its more 4205 x 2105.

Is there a way to fix that ? Or is this normal ?

JimP

For some reason my editing in FT3 now causes constant redraws. I must have done something, can't find it in the menus, as it didn't do this last time.

JimP

Of course, if I switch to gamut - land, its looks better.

JimP

I think I'll go with this one. No lakes, so I made some large ones.

Of course, I can remove some of them, and turn them back to bays.

( Looks kinda different ? Yup, I accidently wiggled the globe and moved it arround... argh. )

Loopysue

White border problem on image exports from FT3:

Zoom extents first, then export the map as a png. Open it briefly in GIMP, right click the layer and pick Alpha to selection, then go to the Image menu and pick Crop to Selection. That trims the transparent bit off around the edge. Export to itself and close GIMP.

How do you mean 'constant redraws'?

Not sure how that globe shift will affect things. Lets hope there's no line at the 180 degree meridian. Again - I never use the globe because it shifts the map. You know those two dialogs I asked you to check if they were zero up at the top of the thread? Are they still zero?