Gorgeous!

Can I talk you into describing how you managed the mountains?

And/or maybe a screenshot of the map without effects? :)

Yes, I did use it during an online game with my now-defunct VTT.

In fact, it was one of my early CC3+ maps and I used just this style. Though I only used the cave features (part of an underground traverse).

I tried using the VTT's hex grid so the players could align their tokens to one iso-"square", but in the end I also disabled snapping to the grid, so they could fine-tune the position. Another thing I did was replace the background parchment in the map with a solid deep purple in order to give that feeling that they were underground.

I wonder if I can insert an image from my gallery, so it can be displayed in a better resolution...

For Frodo!

Yes? No? Maybe?

Anyway, the one I was trying to place my finger onto is 5470 zhentil keep. I uploaded a photo of a B/W print later in this same thread. In all fairness, I don't really know if its pre-1368 or post-1368, but the point is that the North bank from River Tesh is shown, as you correctly point out.

But.. it is available in update1. Perhaps that's what you remember when you said:

.. maybe?

Anyway. I currently have update3 installed but I'm tempted to uninstall/reinstall from scratch and see what's what. Perhaps I could add to what @Don V Anderson Jr. is doing.

Thanks @thehawk . Thanks to the linked post, I managed to find where the map can be located:

https://www.profantasy.com/library/default.asp

There, you can search for Zhentil and you should be able to download the map. Oddly enough, I could swear that I did have that map at one time (with the ruins and the broken bridge), but I don't recall ever downloading it. Ah, well.

We've been having blackouts (due to storms) lately in the evenings, so I figured I could do the uninstall/install/upgrade thing at work. Turns out, my CD/DVD drive doesn't work here (who knows since when). And we don't have an external DVD drive. And I didn't think about bringing the one I have at home.

I asked a coworker to (network-)share the drive with me, and I did manage to install the base FRIA. However, Update1 asks that I insert my CD into drive F:. My plan was to have the installer do it's thing in the background while I work, but seems like fate has something different in mind. ;) Anyway, this might take me a little longer than expected.

I did manage yesterday to get a list of all maps in update3, and now I have a list of the ones from the CD. Let's see if the forum likes to add TXT attachments:

I'll post the listings for update1 and update2 as soon as I can.

Ok, here goes nothing... all 4 lists. Plus some other stuff (keep reading)...

First one note: I sorted the entires in these files. Something I hadn't done in my previous post, but noticed was needed.

You might notice the list for update3 says "bis". That's because I already had a list with update3, but apparently on my last install I only applied update3, since they're meant to be cumulative. But.. there are differences. Here's the file list with just update3 applied (same as my previous post, but sorted):

So... If you only apply update3, you'll be missing:

and also:

(which is not a map)

So far so good.

Next thing I did was compare the CD and Update1 folders. I like to use WinMerge on Windows; it allows to see differences between folders, and it allows to select a list of files that are different and copy the names. Which led me to this:

Or if you want to skip the file, this is the list, one entry per line (just CD vs Update1):

Quite a long list. Again, these are maps present in both the CD and Update1, but they're somehow different (might as well be a single period in one label).

I can't think of a way to compare them except opening them up and... do a visual inspection?

And then repeat for Update1 to Update2; and then Update2 to Update3. Phew.

I think I might need to drop these files into a spreadsheet first. Unless someone beats me to it. ;)

Hi @thehawk ,

I haven't gotten that far yet.

As of now, I've only been listing the different files in the Maps folder; to see which maps are created by CD and the different updates (see my previous post).

Speaking of which, @Don V Anderson Jr. , I found differences between your Update2 listing and mine. For example, mine includes Baghla.XCF and yours doesn't.

My next step, was to see which files were modified between CD and Update1, between Update1 and Update2, and between Update2 and Update3. These are the listings of files that are different:

I took Don V Anderson Jr.'s spreadsheet and added sheets of my own:

... and I added some colors and styles (for the "roflo1" sheet):

• Red for empty cells (files that don't exist in that installer)
• Orange for files that didn't exist in the previous installer
• Bold for files that are different than the previous installer

Now... the hard part will be figuring out which of the bolded maps are better than the previous version. I can't think of a better way than just opening them up individually and see how they look.

Yup. I've been (slowly) reaching that conclusion. It was a long stretch, but worth trying nonetheless. Not all is lost though, I can still use Symbols in Area as Monsen suggested.

Though it must be said: it's still impressive to see that the backwards compatibility works as intended, flawlessly I'd say. And even the fact that FRIA didn't crash is outstansding (I once opened a Mike Schley map with FRIA by mistake, and even then it didn't crash. It still rendered the best it could).

Oh, don't tempt me. Lol. :)

I'm gonna be one of those guys who, after retirement, will still have something to do all day long.

I personally gave my second and third licence to people I know will appreciate it. And I think I've seen a few people give them away in their favourite community/forum.