"ruined" looking walls

AKABigBlack

having trouble getting the desired effect in this dungeon. this is the source map, with walls looking all old and crumbly:



now here's my map:



how can i get that "feel" with my walls? is it a sheet effect? if it's the "Displace" effect, any time I try to add it, CC3 crashes. same when I try to add "Wall Shadow, Directional". really need some help here.

edit: links work, though the thumbnail isn't showing?

Mateus090985

Where are the images?

AKABigBlack

Imgur

Mateus090985

Sorry but I dont see the images or the links to them....

AKABigBlack

try flickr....

base image

my map

AKABigBlack

ahhhhhhh.....i see it now that i actually look at it, ty any ideas on the wall effects?

AKABigBlack

anybody? would really appreciate some help on this one...

Joachim de Ravenbel

Well, you're trying to emulate a picture of a *real* scale model (something like Hirstsarts plaster bricks or Dwarven Forge products) . It's not a map at all.
What you've achieved so far looks pretty good to me:) Perhaps a little *fractalisation* on the walls, perhaps ?
I don't understand why CC3 crashes on a Displace or Wall Shadow effect. Would you mind posting your file? Or you can contact Tech Support on Profantasy main site.

JdR

AKABigBlack

hey JdR, thanks for the reply. don't get me wrong, i absolutely LOVE this style but would just like to get a little "rougher" look to the walls. want a more abandoned for a few centuries vibe, as opposed to walls just laid by eqyptians feel. will try to "fractalize" the walls and post my results...... also, any suggestions on a good technique to transition the stairs on the left? is there a way to darken the floor so it matches the color of the top stair?

here's the source file....

pdj

There are some pngs of ruined walls in the CSUAC stuff (under Structures). You might try using
something like the below as a semi-transparent over/underlay to get a ruin effect.

This one is Structures\Ruin Sets\Grey Set1 (Object)\Wall_blu1.png

Henrie61

And here is what it might look using these png's.
This is done very quick. With a bit more attention to detail and effects it can look netter.

Henrie61

And this is with an effect on the stairs.
Is this what you want?

AKABigBlack

H,

Those stairs look awesome! How did you get that effect? And TBH, I didn't even consider using symbols for walls. Those symbols look perfect. I'll mess around with this when I get home from work. Thank you very much for your input.

Henrie61

The proper way to do stairs would be as it is done here.
http://forum.profantasy.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=3270&page=1#Item_27

I used a slightly faster way but the effect is not as good.
I added a new sheet called SHADE. And placed it between SYMBOLS and WALLS.
Gave it an Edge fade, inner effect, edge width 1, Inner opacity 50, outer opacity 25.
Then on the sheet I drew a square polygon (solid fill with a dark grey) over each of the the two upper steps of the stairs.

The result is a tranparent dark grey shade over the two upper steps.

AKABigBlack

It looks great. Can't wait to try it. I'll repost the finished map when done.

anomiecoalition

the only thing I would add to what others have recommended is using a "dirty floor overlay"

http://www.dundjinni.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=7966&KW=overlay

I often use these on floors (just create a new sheet "floor cover"...copy your floor to this sheet...replace your floor on this new sheet with these as a bitmap), but you could also use this on walls or objects to try to get a more decayed look.

Joachim de Ravenbel

Here is a version with fractalised walls (I changed walls from thick lines to polygons) and a RVB matrix effect on the floor to match the colors of the walls.
I explained the RVB matrix for this use here :
http://forum.profantasy.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=3119&page=1#Item_7

AKABigBlack

JdR, this is exactly the look i am going for. would you mind explaining how you accomplished the fractalisation of the walls? it really looks amazing....

Joachim de Ravenbel

Posted By: AKABigBlackJdR, this is exactly the look i am going for. would you mind explaining how you accomplished the fractalisation of the walls? it really looks amazing....

First you have to turn your walls in polygons. There are two ways :
* using the offset1 command on each side of your wall lines (changed to 0' width) with an offset of 1' (because your walls are 2' thick), trim the resulting lines to intersection, close the loose ends with a line
* use the double line tools from annual #46 if you have it

Select all the lines and turn them in a path (right click explode, Line to Path tool) and, if necessary, close the path (right click explode, Path to Poly tool).

Then you just use the fractalise tool (I had to use trial&errrors to get parameters that look good and no, sorry, I don't remember them).

Hope it helps. I cannot be more precise as I don't have access to CC3 now (start work in 5' )

JdR

anomiecoalition

@JdR - Finally got around to trying your method of creating these ruined walls. Still got some tinkering to do on this map, but pretty happy so far. Thanks for the tips.

Joachim de Ravenbel

Posted By: anomiecoalition@JdR - Finally got around to trying your method of creating these ruined walls.

Glad I could help creating that cool map!

AKABigBlack

this should work perfectly for what i'm looking to do. i'll throw something together using this method and post when i'm done. thanks to everyone for their input!