CC3+ runs on linux?
brandor
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Hello cartographers,
I have only found a few very old references on the subject of "CC3+ and Linux". How does it look at the moment? Does CC3+ run with reasonably up-to-date Wine? How is the performance? Does it work or does it get stuck? Would it be better to set up a local virtual machine with an old Windows 7 and run CC3+ there? What are your experiences?
Edit: Oh, and can I buy CC3+ and install it in Wine as a test, see how it runs and if it doesn't work, then install it under Windows? Or will there then be licence problems because a key is linked to the first Linux/Wine hardware?
Thanks for your tips
Brandor
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hi i run it via crossover on my mac and i can also run it under wine on a linux box that i use for testing neither of which causes me any issues
Hello. I use the default Wine on the latest Debian. It works well with no problems at all. FT3+ requires the 32-bit installer, but everything else needs nothing special.
The license is technically tied to you, not the installation. I suppose the legality of running it in two places at the same time might be in question, but I guarantee you that nobody in the world would fault you for installing it to test!
Good luck.
@Kertis Henderson wrote:
I suppose the legality of running it in two places at the same time might be in question
Actually, as long as it is for non-commercial use, the license allows you to have it installed on up to three computers at once. (Computers belonging to your household, you can't go and share a license with two friends)
Whew! I guess I'm legal, after all. Thank you!
Thank you for your feedback. That gives me courage. Then I'll start my CC3+ adventure :)
For what it's worth, I run Campaign Cartographer 3+ on an Intel Mac (2019 MacBook Pro 16") running Windows 10 on VMware Fusion. It runs great in that environment.
Sorry I'm late. ;)
Turns out I was the last person to submit a test result for CC3+ on wine over at WineHQ:
It only made it to gold due to some minor inconveniences. But they're trivial / non-essential IMO. Oh, and it's worth saying I tested on Wayland (might be related) and haven't tried Xorg.
Right now I'm running wine 8.19, but haven't submitted another test because I haven't done a full install on this version. But it works just as well as the posted result.
Oh, thanks for the information :) I have now installed CC3+ in a VM (ProxMox) under LinuxMint with Wine. So CC3+ is running quite well for now. The only problem is that the mouse pointer lags a little behind the actual mouse movement. As if the digital pointer had run through honey. It does go where it is supposed to, but always with a short delay. This doesn't always happen. But it does happen when I have several elements on the map and it gets a bit crowded.
I have Wine version 8.0.2 instead of 8.19 like you do, which I don't quite understand, because I actually installed Wine via the PPA ... I'll have to have another look.
Come think about it.. I did experience unusual lag (compared to running natively on Windows) while opening a very large map. My best guess would be that wine still has some shortcomings while drawing on screen.
I have Wine version 8.0.2 instead of 8.19 like you do, which I don't quite understand, because I actually installed Wine via the PPA ... I'll have to have another look.
Oh, I'm using Fedora, which has a fame for being bleeding-edge. I don't think it would make much of a difference though. And do note that the results I posted in the link on my previous post is for version 7.12. I wouldn't worry too much about versions tbh.
Ok, I'll give it some time to try it out. Basically, it's going quite well so far. I can always optimise it later :) And if the licence is not tied to the hardware, but to me as a person, it won't be a problem if I switch to a Windows VM in a few weeks' time :)
I've been using CC3+ on various Linux computers using Wine without any problems for a couple of years now. You can use a frontend like PlayOnLinux and simply follow the install wizard.
Edit: You may have to install the Microsoft Core Fonts library if the text is unreadable.
I have CC3+ running on Fedora + Cinnamon. But I can't use the New Drawing Wizard, because some text is too thin and faint for me to read.
I installed the Microsoft standard fonts, but I wonder if I'm missing other fonts CC3+ expects, or if there's any way to bolden them enough for me to read.
I know practically nothing about Linux, but for comparison this is what the same dialog looks like on a Windows PC. The font is different, but that's probably some kind of MS font that might not be available on non-MS machines. At a wild guess it's a system font your own non-Windows system has substituted with one of it's own?
The font used by the CC3+ dialogs is "MS Sans Serif(8)", which your system's font substitution is replacing with something that's installed locally. I recommend adjusting the Windows dpi settings to get the appearance of a larger font.
Now winecfg is broken (because the confirmation buttons are off-screen), and those fonts are still too thin and too faint; they aren't any bigger, either.
Checking the Wine FAQ: https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/FAQ#wines-windows-and-fonts-are-extremely-large
Wine's windows and fonts are extremely large
Sometimes you can use the Alt key and the mouse to move the winecfg window so you can reach the "Screen Resolution" slider on the Graphics tab; slide it down. Changes will not effect the winecfg window until it's restarted.
[I have no alt key on my mouse]
If that doesn't work, you can use this one line registry change (all one line):
[I tried and it hasn't worked]
If all fails, you could remove your
~/.winedirectory and reinstall your Windows applications.Are there any Ease of Use settings, Like windows has? Could a screen magnifier option be of use?
I tried that. Increasing the dpi setting enough to read the text in wineconfig was already breaking other apps; increasing it further broke wineconfig.
The Wine FAQ suggests several steps which didn't work, and then removing wine and reinstalling all Windows apps: https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/FAQ#wines-windows-and-fonts-are-extremely-large
I don't use Linux with WINE so I probably can't be of much help here, unfortunately. A quick search turned up WINE fonts are ugly - Support / Third-party Applications - Manjaro Linux Forum, which has some suggestions and no conclusion, but I expect that you've already seen that link. It does look like the aliased font issue described above (the WINE renderer isn't giving antialiased fonts for dialogs) might be at the root of the problems that you're having because the fonts are all only a single pixel wide.
I think that when the documentation says "Sometimes you can use the Alt key and the mouse to..." it probably means to hold down the Alt key on the keyboard while you use the mouse, not that there should be an Alt key on the mouse.
I managed to click on the number by the slider, tab a couple times, hit enter, log out, log in, and eventually get winecfg working again. I guess I should try using Lutris, or one of the Wine-bottler tools, which would give each app its own wineprefix, dpi settings, etc., though I don't know which settings would help.
If you get it figured out, please let us know. CC3+ on Linux questions come up from time to time and it's never clear to me if they are resolved or if people just give up.
I tried to make the text clearer and the only thing that worked was to drop the monitor resolution slightly
Rob
I decided to try CC3 on Windows, and I encounter the same too-thin/too-faint text there, too. It's like my Linux screenshot from April 27th, not like Loopysue's Windows screenshot.