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    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018
     
    They all look good to me !
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018
     
    Thanks Jim :)

    Nevertheless, I still think I should have stuck to more conventional rooftops for these tiniest buildings of the set. Maybe I will have 14 of these tiny buildings. These and another 7 that are not quite so oddball.
    • CommentAuthorpvernon
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018 edited
     
    I have seen photos of two story normal gable houses with a one story lean-to on one to to as many as all sides. Like your split level, but with the high roof equal on both sides then with a lean-to applied to both front and back or three sides or just one side or a 360 porch.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018 edited
     
    I thought of doing that particular building that way, but I seem to have an aversion to symmetry today. Maybe when I do the alternatives tomorrow I will do it that way ;)

    The largest of these buildings is only 30 x 20 feet, so these are the really tiny ones. The smallest are about shed sized, but we don't seen to have enough sheds and outbuildings. I've left it up to others to decide whether to add chimneys and call the 10 foot ones a house!

    Ironically, I decided to take a break from the really tiny stuff and try a roman villa. You can't get more symmetrical than that! Not having a great time with it just now, but again - maybe tomorrow will be better :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018
     
    Couldn't sleep, so I had a go at that Roman villa.

    First attempt:
      Villa.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018
     
    I can see something now that I can't see when I'm looking at things in CC3 on my tiny screen. The roof ridges are wrong. I need to work on that fill.

    I can also see that the shadows are too intense, and that the shadows cast by the top floor are a bit wrong.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2018
     
    I thought most villas had a covered entrance, and also a pool in the courtyard. Just sayin'
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Its only my first try, and there's a whole ton of stuff wrong with it - the roof ridge, the shadows... etc. I didn't bother to weather the tiles because its wrong, AND its huge. Not even sure its an acceptable size for a symbol at 90 x 70 feet. That's a lot of dabbing with the splodgy brushes if its not the final edition.

    The central courtyard: I nearly added a ton of details like a pool and paving and steps, etc, but I thought that would make the symbol less useful. Its completely empty of anything so that you can put whatever you like in it.

    I'm beginning to question the quality of the texture I made for it, since the contrast is making it difficult to shade and nearly impossible to adjust for the light and dark differences between the shaded pitched part of the roof, and the non-shaded roof ridge. I've had to make that roof ridge 50 units lighter than the rest of the roof just to get it to the same general 'lightness' as the finished roof - which has bleached all the black and dark colours out of it and made it look wrong.

    This is a typical English Roman Villa built during the Roman occupation. As you can see, there's no atrium at all. Maybe they were different in the cities or closer to Rome?
      Lullingstone Villa.jpg
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018 edited
     
    Posted By: LoopysueThe central courtyard: I nearly added a ton of details like a pool and paving and steps, etc, but I thought that would make the symbol less useful. Its completely empty of anything so that you can put whatever you like in it.
    That only works well for people good at making visual compositions. A lot of people would actually find a fully-fleshed out symbol more useful.
    I guess what I am saying is that people would probably love to have both variants available :)


    Of course, you can always debate how detailed a city symbol should be anyway, they are normally not intended to be shown in the map at the zoom level shown here anyway, that is only for very special use cases.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018 edited
     
    Here are some more pics - the first is Fishbourne villa reconstructed.
      Fishbourne Palace - Reconstruction.jpg
      Roman Villa (1).jpg
      Roman Villa (11).jpg
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    And for your entertainment, what I hope to do a building plan of one day, based on this imperial villa of Pollio Felice, for the Speaker's residence at Stromphe, capital of the irisian City States in Artemisia.

    Pollius Felix had been a powerful patron – probably of Greek origin – who lived exactly during the time of Flavia and her friends. Even more exciting, his wife may have been Polla Argentaria, the widow of Lucan, a poet who was implicated in a plot against Nero and forced to kill himself. A poem by a Roman called Statius describes Felix's villa and a shrine to Hercules on the Cape of Surrentum.
      Villa of Pollio Felice.jpg
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Remy - I'm leaning towards creating the additional detail insofar as the added detail is actually visible and clear at that res. I'm sticking to CD3 res (40 pixels per unit/foot), but its still remarkable just how much can be seen. Things less than 6 inches in one dimension or the other probably aren't worth adding, but the tiles themselves are only 10 inches across from trough to trough.

    I'll do two versions of it - one with and one without. I just have to get the textures and the overall shape and shading right first :)

    ...

    Quenten - Oh look! Shed roof style! And there I was thinking it was all gable and hip?!

    I can see what you mean, Quenten. Maybe I will enclose the courtyard, but I probably do it quite simply. The building is 90 x 70 feet - quite small by Roman villa standards (although really huge for a CD3 building symbol at 3600 pixels on the longest dimension at VH res)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Posted By: QuentenAnd for your entertainment, what I hope to do a building plan of one day, based on this imperial villa of Pollio Felice, for the Speaker's residence at Stromphe, capital of the irisian City States in Artemisia.

    Gulp! LOL!

    I think you may be better off using shaded polys to do the roof work on that one, Quenten. It would be far far too large as an all-in-one symbol, and too specialised as well.

    They were really seriously into courtyards, weren't they. Not very practical of them. I can see the need for light wells in a large building, but whole courtyards?
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    The building won't be a symbol, but a full blown building map. Before Xmas (year not specified)
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    WOW, talk about ambitious! You are a better man than me, Quenten, to even plan to tackle THAT!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Challenge accepted. I will finish it before the end of trump's third term. hehehe
    • CommentAuthorGThiel
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Quenten -- at least you live just about as far from him as is possible, I have to live within 700 miles of America's version of Caligula .. .. ..
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    3rd term? Oh my GOD!!! It'll be like living in a Mad Max film over here by then!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Caligula - maybe instead of a horse for a consul, you could have a minotaur as a vice president. And you could do a character artist depiction of him
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Posted By: GThielQuenten -- at least you live just about as far from him as is possible, I have to live within 700 miles of America's version of Caligula .. .. ..


    The Cheeto Mussolini
    • CommentAuthorGThiel
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Qhenten -- He already has a Horse's Ass for Vice President -- Mike Pence.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    I try not to make comment on other people's governments, but you guys are funny :P

    I think I may have cracked the texturing and MAP file problems. Here is a nice normal hip roof building test house done both ways for comparison. I know which one works better as a city symbol, I'm interested to know which of them you like better :)
      Old and new.jpg
    • CommentAuthorGThiel
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    The one on the right, the ridge tiles are all the same size as they should be.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Both. One for good repair, the one on the right. And the one on the left, for a roof that isn't well kept up.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    I prefer the one on the left. I like the darker separation between tiles. Also the one on the right looks a tad out of focus to me. However, I am going to guess that the one with less black will look better zoomed out to a city view.

    I agree with GThiel that the roof ridge tiles look better on the right-hand image.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018 edited
     
    Thanks everyone :)

    I prefer the one on the left for close up, but the one on the right looks much clearer at normal city scale because the shading is more dominant and visible. The reason it looks more fuzzy is because I reduced the contrast to make the grooves between the tiles not so dark, which had the effect of making the texture on the tiles themselves less contrasty as well. I tried it just making the grooves paler, but it disappeared into a big mess of orange yellow and black.

    I still have all the textures (there's at least 10 variations to choose from in my folder, which makes it a bit confusing at times). I will use the one on the right, but maybe do a select few buildings at DD3 scale in the same texture as the one on the left if you think there might be a use for them (using a better scale for the ridge tiles as well). Those will have to be much more carefully drawn, however, and take a lot more time to do, so they will have to wait until I've done the city set and done my best to finish Sanctuary - this year.
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    I like the one on the left. It has more character...
    • CommentAuthorpvernon
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    I must say I also think that they both look great, that said the right hand one seems more correct.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2018
     
    Thank you, both :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018
     
    This is just a shaded poly mock up, but is this a bit better?
      Villa Draft 2.JPG
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018 edited
     
    Golly gee wizzikins. It's fantastic. Villa Susannae Lupiae (villa of Loopysue in Latin)
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018
     
    Very nice. Roof definitions are all nice and crisp and defined and the courtyard makes the whole thing pop.
    • CommentAuthorGThiel
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018
     
    BUT BUT BUT no Crocodiles??? (Very Nice!! Only issue I see is that the seams of the ridge tiles are occasionally lining up with the roof tiles which is a great way to get a leaky roof -- shades of Frank LLoyd Wright)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018
     
    Thanks guys :)

    Jerry! Can't you see the piranhas? Sadly, the crocodiles lost the battle :P

    I got so fed up with trying to draw diagonal rectangles that were precisely 8 3/4 inches wide to fit exactly one of those covering barrel tiles, no more - no less, in width that in the end I made a symbol, so if some of them line up, I'm afraid that's just the way it is ;)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018 edited
     
    I've done both versions - all bar the weathering of the roof

    Villa - Both versions.JPG

    I'm most pleased with the courtyard one, though I'm not sure the shadows are really working all that well.

    The shade map was a total nightmare! LOL!
      Villa - with courtyard.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2018
     
    Weathering is fun :)
      Villa - with courtyard final draft.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2018
     
    Well, I think I've got this Roman-style dome shading off to a T, but the question now is...

    Do you want an actual hole in the oculus, or shall I just leave it black?

    (no, the roof hasn't been shaded yet, but I have to go out in a minute)
      oculus question.jpg
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2018
     
    Amazing. I don't know what else to say...
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2018
     
    Black or a hole, either is good.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2018
     
    Thank you, Scott :)

    You are actually the second person to say that, Jim :)

    Someone else over on the FB page explained in some detail about how they would want a hole if they were doing a battle map, but black if they were doing a city map, so it looks like I really need both.
    • CommentAuthorpvernon
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2018
     
    Yep, both. For the same reasons.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    Well, I've kind of moved on a bit from the Roman dome to another type of building that is stereotypically covered in barrel tiles.

    I'm really not sure if I've got the rather complicated MAP file effects right.

    I know this is one of those "Does my bum look big in this?" type of questions where nobody wants to shout "Yes!", but please can you be honest -

    Does the shading actually work for you on this symbol?
      Japanese temple.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    That one was a bit vague at the corners.

    Maybe this one is better?
      Japanese temple2.JPG
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    Excellent work Sue!

    Posted By: LoopysueSomeone else over on the FB page explained in some detail about how they would want a hole if they were doing a battle map, but black if they were doing a city map, so it looks like I really need both.

    Woot woot! I've been referenced by Sue! *G*
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    LOL!

    Thanks LE :D

    So you are Dan Harlan? I have to confirm it - before I write it down in my little black book - the one that serves as a memory these days! :P

    You'll have to forgive me for being perpetually confused when everyone has different names in different places. I never seem to remember them! Sorry!

    And sorry also to anyone else I've called 'someone' in the last few weeks :)
    • CommentAuthorpvernon
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    Sue, on the shading I am not sure, but I think something is not right and I can't put my finger on it.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    This would not surprise me, since the way I arrived at it was somewhat disorganised and a whole lot too messy. Things evolve on the screen as I work, and the early drafts frequently bear the scars of poor decisions made early in the process before I've worked enough of it out to want to go back and put everything right.

    The structure is also wrong. That top roof is actually supposed to be a smooth extension of the lower roof a bit like a Dutch gable ended roof. I didn't look at the reference picture for long enough and made a typical westerner's mistake - I separated the roof into two more orderly levels!

    This is an extract of the map file. I think it's an excellent example of how not to design a Japanese temple :P
      Fred.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    I think you can probably put the whole set of digits (and someone else's) on the mistakes in that one - never mind a single finger! Heheee!
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    I wonder if the corner sections that are raised shouldn't be shaded in more of a wedge pattern?
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2018
     
    LOL! I know the shading is really horrible right now. Its like the scribble that comes before the drawing :P

    I am currently researching Japanese temples. Its a lot more complicated than I thought. There I was thinking that there must be a range of angles for everything, and that this would all be relatively simple to work out, if only I could get my head wrapped around it and concentrate just a bit more... and now I'm learning all these wonderful Japanese words for all the different bits and pieces of all the different kinds of Buddhist temple in the last 1500 years!

    I really am incurably distractible.

    Did you know that Zen Buddhism came from China? I didn't. I thought it was a classic archetypal Japanese form of the religion. I've also thought that Shinto and Buddhism were sort of synonymous terms for the same group of beliefs (with the same type of temple), and apparently they were till 1886, when there was a big political thing about forcibly separating the two religions.

    At this rate, there are going to be so many different types of Japanese temple we're going to need a whole collection to represent them properly.

    Was I imagining it, or did you at some point mention something about maybe creating some yourself?