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    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018
     
    How about carts pulled up the inclined track by mountains goats? Gravity should get the carts down, and rope and pullies to control the speed of descent?
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018
     
    If I decide to keep the cavern I'm going to imply the use of water and gravity - a traditional water powered funicular (such as the one I've ridden on myself not that far away in Devon - the Lynton and Lynmouth cliff railway), where there are two carriages on opposite sides of the ramp attached to one another by a very long cable that loops around a large wheel at the top. The operator at the top decides how much water to load into the water tank underneath the carriage based on how many passengers he has, and how many are waiting to come up in the other carriage. Sufficient water is added to make the carriage at the top slightly heavier than the one at the bottom, so once the brakes are let off the movement is driven by gravity.

    At the bottom of the ramp there will be a pool of waste water discharged by the bottom carriage to make it light enough to go back up to the top with passengers/cargo.

    This creates something of a problem in this particular map, however, since the cavern is below sea level... at the moment... and there's no way to get rid of the waste water (never mind any deluges - magical, sewerage, or otherwise), so I might have to undo what I did yesterday and save this cavern idea for another city.

    I'm trying to make up my mind today which way to go, and how to solve the problem if I decide to keep the cavern.
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018 edited
     
    Keep the cavern!! It looks fantastic! As far as the mechanics of "getting down"....suspension of disbelief goes a LONG way in fantasy rpg. Perhaps Dumathoin, the patron god of mining and underground exploration grants it's power? Like the saying goes....Don't sweat the small stuff :)
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018
     
    The cavern could have a hole dug down to a large underground cavern, under the seabed - which would take all the deluge water/sewerage - until it too filled up, but heh, be 21st century - don't worry about the long term future - let the unborn bozos cope with that - we have profits to make.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018
     
    Ok ok LOL!

    I'll keep the cavern. I can see I am deficient in the imagination department this morning. Great ideas both of them.
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018
     
    Sue, you could make the cavern entrance a lot smaller, and set it higher than sea level (on a low hill, say) if the whole "flooding" thing becomes too much of a distraction. A quarry can be into a hillside, rather than into the ground, after all (many ancient and medieval quarries were simply convenient surface rock outcrops, for instance). Having the cavern then extend in whatever direction was desired from there, including even many miles out under the seabed, wouldn't be a problem for expert miners - real-world humans have managed it for generations, so fantasy dwarves should have no difficulties!
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2018
     
    I can see what you mean, Wyvern, and if this was the real world I would probably do just exactly that - not have a gaping hole in the middle of the city like that. But now that I've done it, its sort of grown on me in a strange way and I really want to make it work.

    I think there will be a much smaller hole in the floor of the existing cavern that is a gateway to some marvellous underworld - through which any downpour can conveniently drain away to wherever such things go on a fantasy world...

    Such a special site must of course, have some kind of dwarven temple associated with it ;)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    Well, my computer keeps giving me the blue screen treatment. Win 10 and the processor security upgrades hit me really badly. I'm having a lot of trouble all over the place with all my apps, so I think it will be fairly soon I have to shut everything down and take it to the repair shop. That might take about a week, and even when I get it back I may have to reinstall everything from the backup, so...

    Sanctuary is still in progress. I've just hit an unavoidable delay of approximately a fortnight to 3 weeks. During that time I won't be able to see or speak - cut off from the virtual world. (I can't believe how much anxiety I feel about that prospect - its just nuts).

    I haven't died. It just my machine that's dead - for now.

    I might try to delay this inevitable event for another couple of days and take it to the shop on Monday morning first thing, but I just thought I'd warn everyone now, in case I forget to say anything just before I pull the plug.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTime3 days ago edited
     
    Sue, I hope that you can get your computer up and running again. We'll miss you while you're gone. :(

    Mine has been giving me fits on occasion too so I know how you feel. Every major update causes my task manager to go blank and I have to repair system files. I know a full reinstall of the OS would fix me up, but I'm just too lazy to do it. I just have too much software I'd have to reinstall and I don't feel like it. I was going to do it after the 2017 Fall Creators Update but just keep putting it off. I'm pathetic. LOL
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    Not half as pathetic as I am.

    I have to go and pay someone to plug in more RAM, check the fans and all the other bits and pieces are working properly, and finally clean 3 years of dust out my machine.

    I'm so pathetic that I'm afraid to open the thing up myself. I think that's because its the only PC I have. Its not like I have a spare if I mess it up.

    Feeling slightly sick about this now, since I've just been trying to back up to an external drive, and it appears the external drive isn't working properly, so I'm also going to have to pay for the man in the shop to back up my drive before he does anything to it. *rolls eyes*

    I'm still working up the courage...
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    We sound like a pair. My backup drive died back in the fall.

    Good luck with this Sue. If you were in the US I could point you to a reasonably priced backup drive that might cost less than paying someone to do it. Alas, we have a big pond between us.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    LOL! And that pond costs about £40 for the smallest parcel to cross - without the postage. That's what the customs charge the recipient in this country for anything that's been spot checked at customs, and for some reason they ALWAYS check parcels coming to me!!!

    I think its because I once had an American boyfriend... or something.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    That's about what the drive itself would cost!!

    I understand the whole customs thing. My husband is an amateur WWII historian and often orders books and scale models from across the pond that just aren't available here. It gets expensive but it keeps him happy. :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    I know! Tell me about it. So annoying!

    Your hubby sounds like a sweet man with a loving wife ;)

    I've just checked the drive and found nothing wrong with it, but still the backup won't work. I BET this is Win 10 at fault... AGAIN!!! This OS is so riddled with stupid holes I wish every day that I'd stuck with 8.1. In fact, if I discover its not going to cost as much as I thought to get the RAM and the cleaning job done, I might just ask them to reinstall 8.1 for me - even though that would mean a complete and total reinstall of absolutely every last piece of software I own. It would be worth it to get rid of Win 10.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    Part of the problem is that they keep adding stuff to Windows10 and some of us have slightly older systems that just bog down with the excess. My laptop is four years old now and I hope to get another year out of it. I'm just happy that CC3+ runs well on it.

    Well, I'm off for the night. I hope everything works out for you!
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    Thanks Shessar :)

    I'm busy overheating the device now by defragging it! LOL!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    I have Win 7 on my main computer - and no problems; and Win 10 on my laptop, with only a few problems, mainly because i hardly ever use it unless we go away, and then not much (and we only go away once a year for more than an overnight stay). I'll be sticking to Win 7, until I get better reports
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      CommentAuthorOldGuy
    • CommentTime2 days ago edited
     
    Posted By: Loopysue[...] if I discover its not going to cost as much as I thought to get the RAM and the cleaning job done [...]

    You may well find yourself happily surprised about memory prices.
    I recently bought 32 GB of ram and was surprised that it had come down so much since last I checked:
    Two 2x8 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1600 MHZ DDR3 Kits for $139.99 per kit ( 32 GB total )
    ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D2LGRLK/ )
    And Corsair Memory Fan for $29.53 including accent covers in all three colors.
    ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GU9UG9A )
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Meanwhile, back at my place...

    Still waiting for the backup to finish - now that I've actually got my laptop to 'see' the external drive.

    Very bored. Now that I've got it working I dare not do anything in case I upset the equilibrium.

    But its nice to know that I will probably be able to afford to bring this back to its original state - a perfectly usable Win 8.1 machine again. Thanks :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited
     
    This version has been a while coming. I've been fiddling around with things that seem quite small, but which have taken a lot of thinking and planning - new breakwaters, colours, relief shading and road patterns...

    City of Sanctuary Version 2 - 07 (1024).JPG

    The larger image is here.
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    Really, really nice work! :-)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime18 hours ago
     
    Thank you Charles :)

    I've just noticed that I have some kind of transparency acne going on in the castle grounds. Looks like I need to sort that out next ;)
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTime10 hours ago
     
    Posted By: LoopysueThank you Charles :)

    I've just noticed that I have some kind of transparency acne going on in the castle grounds. Looks like I need to sort that out next ;)


    Maybe someone was digging in the castle grounds for buried treasure ? :-)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime10 hours ago
     
    Looks more like giant antlions at work there - under the east and west towers. That's worrying! They seem to have some kind of strategy going.

    :P

    Its actually a render issue I'm having. I got rid of it by turning the antialiasing down from 75% to just 40% - which is more than enough for most images, and it increases the depth of each pass across the map. The castle just happens to be on the dividing line between passes when the AA is set at 75%. I must remember to add a little rendering advice to the map notes for this one ;)