Awesome. Out of curiosity, where are you getting the substitute fills from?

I won’t be able to make it to the Live this week — visiting family and going with my Dad or his speech therapy class. I will watch the recording later today. Have a good chat, everyone!

In some of my villages, I put buildings on different sheets with different wall shadows to reflect 1, 2, and 3 story buildings, and had different multipliers for each. That works ok with a town but not sure it scales well with a big city.

I am in the early stages of planning to design a major city for the Atlas, and I wanted to get advice from those here who have done big cities. This is for the city of Khemtufu, which is in Doriant - Gold Coast - Eknapata Desert. My goal is to provide a home for the Temple of Fah that I designed nearly a year ago, so that it can finally have a home in the Atlas. (Here are the discussion threads for the exterior and interior maps of the temple.)

I am planning to use SS5 Cities of Schley as the foundation. It has good Middle Eastern-style symbols as well as a great variety of symbols in general, and I might supplement with some assets from SS4 Dungeons of Schley. I also plan to also use domes from the City Domes annual, but that's probably it. I am planning to create canals using the Color Key cutout approach since Schley's fills don't meet up as seamlessly as fills from other annuals sometimes do. That will allow a nicer connection between the canals and the river, and will make it easier to add to the canals as I go along.

For those of you who have designed big cities before, I would love to hear your tips and strategies for how to approach it.

Size

My thought is that this will be a major city, definitely the largest in the portion of the Eknapata Desert that spills into the Gold Coast region. What are your thoughts about how geographically large it should be before it becomes unwieldy?

I looked up some comparable cities from the medieval period, picking the year 1000 A.D. for comparison. In 1000 AD, Cairo had an estimated population of 135,000 and a geographic size of "a few square kilometers" (according to Google AI). Constantinople had a population of about 500,000 people and a geographic size of 14 square kilometers (5.4 square miles, or 2.3 x 2.3. miles). I am thinking that Khemtufu would have a population closer to 50,000 to 100,000 people if that seems feasible.

I tried checking the Atlas for other cities to get a sense of a good scale for a large city. Sue & Lorelei's City of Sanctuary was 15,000 x 15,000 feet, IIRC, making it about 2.8 x 2.8 miles, or about 5.7 square miles. Quenten's Dun Fingolfin was 10,000 x 6,000 (feet, I think?). His city of Torstan is 1,364 x 1,364 meters (4,475 x 4,475 feet).

Does a map of 10,000 x 10,000 feet (1.9 x 1.9 miles) seem feasible? Any tips or recommendations on scaling? I realize that buildings would be very small, but zooming into neighborhoods would show more detail.

Mapping Strategies

I assume I will end up turning off sheet effects a lot of the time while I'm working to reduce refresh lag.

In a previous thread that I cannot find at the moment, someone suggested creating layers for each neighborhood, and then putting buildings on a neighborhood layer rather than a layer denoting its type of business. That way you can hide every neighborhood you aren't working on to also reduce system strain.

(Related: I am making a list of potential neighborhood names, though that will flow better once the basic layout of the city is done. Things like Garden District for a posh neighborhood, Northgate for the neighborhood closest to the northern entrance, Eastern Addition for a newer expansion on the eastern side, Oldtown for a central area that was the original town before it gradually expanded to be a city, etc. Thoughts and recommendations welcome.)

In his second Big City Project tutorial (around the 35 minute mark) Ralf creating a building-block tool for creating temporary blocks of buildings as placeholders until building symbols can be placed.

For those of you who have designed big cities, what strategies like these do you recommend? What did you do -- or what to you wish you knew to do before you started?

Advice?

Any advice or recommendations you have, especially things I should plan for at the outside (like setting up layers and sheets) is most appreciated.

Oh! Interesting. I was under the impression that vector symbols use more system resources than raster symbols because (I thought) there were more mathematical computations with vector.

Your campaign city sounds fascinating!

Yeah, I think one of my roof ridge lines disappeared. It is sloped down to the larger pool in the center of the northern courtyard. Here are some links to other websites I used for inpiration.

Did the same thing when I was getting started and it took me forever to figure out that right-clicking again would collapse it. Glad you're posting these questions -- everyone here is very friendly and happy to help.

Congratulations on your first map! It’s looks great. Ans I agree with you: it is oddly therapeutic and calming. I like that it’s simultaneously exercising my creativity and my analytical/problem solving sides.

I forgot about my early mapping influences from fantasy/sci fi literature, prior to discovering D&D. The Lord of the Rings was huge, naturally (I even had Karen Wynn Fonstad's Atlas of Middle Earth). And then the maps from Pern, and The Land from Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant novels.

But I forgot that the earliest for me was the maps from The Wizard of Oz books. I was obsessed with those books from around the ages of 7 to 10. I would draw the map from memory over and over again. I started to do a version in CC3 but got distracted by other projects. (The map is now in public domain so no copyright infringement!)

Around the same time, while our teacher was reading stories to us, I would doodle side-view maps of underground mansions inspired by an illustration from the children's book Babar and Father Christmas, which you can see on the bottom of this page:

https://imaginaryelevators.blog/2021/12/21/babar-je-taime/

I probably will! I've started doing that when mapping with Mike Schley's overland and city styles.