As for what's still legible on a tiny seal, the real-world options suggest there aren't many limitations - e.g. carved ancient Greek and Roman gemstones (sometimes used as signet rings), and especially the tiny carved stone cylinder seals and stamp seals used in ancient Mesopotamia and points adjacent, beginning in the 4th millennium BCE.
With the banners, is there any chance of doing banners like flags waving in the wind, or army regimental banners.I did one the very hard way using multiple effects and sheets in my Helinesa map.
The Horned Triskelion is often attributed to the Celts, but it was used thousands of years before that in the stone age. Modern interpretations usually depict legs instead of coiled horns.
(As you can see I'm still working on the tree of life, but when that is done the Celtic/Pagan subset will be complete for now)
There are ancient examples of the legged triskelion as well, from Greek art, for instance, while such "rotary" symbols more generally go back far into the millennia BCE, commonly with three or four "arms".
I fear someone will have suggested this already, but will there be a seal with a seal on? Or even a walrus? ?
How interesting! It just goes to show that it pays to do a bit more research than a single Wiki page.
And yes - I think a seal with a seal on it would be just the sort of thing to make people smile on a dark damp day as they flick through the available stamps.
Back to the ribbon banners for a while until they are finished.
I've managed to sort out a kind of symbol jigsaw set that you can use to make variations of multi-fold title banners. It's not perfect, and it can be a bit tricky to work out which bit to put where, but at least it snaps together pretty seamlessly.
Would it work better if the curled scrolls faced towards the viewer, instead of away? That's basically the way someone would read/view a scroll in many cases, so it may be that's what's making them look a little "off" just now.
I have also worked with real scrolls. I've a few stuck in tubes under my bed. A whole map is usually rolled up with the map on the inside, but scroll labels are a virtual creation employed by fantasy artists and nowhere near as practical.
Besides. I don't have time to change everything now if there are to be any seals. These things take forever to draw.
Does anyone happen to know if you ask Symbol Manager to make a collection of symbols but ignore the letters at the end, do those letters have to be separated from the numbers by a space, or be right next to them?
For example, which of these would work? The letter at the end indicates which part of the title it is - L = left end, M = middle section, and R = right end.
"Title sc A 01L.png"
"Title sc A 01 L.png"
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@Wyvern - I've had a change of heart about the relative importance of the scrolls and the seals. Since this is the Banners and Seals issue, and not the Seals and Banners issue, I think we can afford to lose a couple of seals in favour of having a small set of scrolls with the roll at the front. They are only just started, but here they are with the rest of the banners.
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Oh sue, these seals are wonderful, great job! I think they would fit on many styles. Way to go!
Super news, Sue!!!!!
A tree would be nice.
Thanks guys :)
@Maidhc O Casain A Tree of Life is already there. I just haven't drawn it yet.
That's exactly the tree I was thinking of, too!
Wyvern would be an obvious addition, of course ?
As for what's still legible on a tiny seal, the real-world options suggest there aren't many limitations - e.g. carved ancient Greek and Roman gemstones (sometimes used as signet rings), and especially the tiny carved stone cylinder seals and stamp seals used in ancient Mesopotamia and points adjacent, beginning in the 4th millennium BCE.
Yes, a wyvern would be good.
The level of detail is more about how long it will take to draw each one - there being well over 100 suggested ideas by now ;)
Ah, right. Yes, that old time problem. ⌛️
And I forget there's always liable to be more input from Facebook than we ever see here.
Oh, about 80-90% more on FB than here, but you are all equally important contributors as far as I am concerned :)
With the banners, is there any chance of doing banners like flags waving in the wind, or army regimental banners.I did one the very hard way using multiple effects and sheets in my Helinesa map.
Browse Maps - Helmonte - ProFantasy Community Atlas (monsen.cc)
I could do a nice crossed banner design, though it will only be one and not several.
Come on, we all know you can never do just one.....
LOL! You haven't seen my 'little list'.
is your "little List" from the Mikado by any chance?? .. .. ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NLV24qTnlg
Well... no, but now that you mention it I guess it might have seeped down through my memory from many years ago when I was in the Mikado at school ;)
Three more seals done - some of the Celtic knots.
The Horned Triskelion is often attributed to the Celts, but it was used thousands of years before that in the stone age. Modern interpretations usually depict legs instead of coiled horns.
(As you can see I'm still working on the tree of life, but when that is done the Celtic/Pagan subset will be complete for now)
There are ancient examples of the legged triskelion as well, from Greek art, for instance, while such "rotary" symbols more generally go back far into the millennia BCE, commonly with three or four "arms".
I fear someone will have suggested this already, but will there be a seal with a seal on? Or even a walrus? ?
How interesting! It just goes to show that it pays to do a bit more research than a single Wiki page.
And yes - I think a seal with a seal on it would be just the sort of thing to make people smile on a dark damp day as they flick through the available stamps.
The Isle of Man flag is a 3 legged triskelion
I know :)
It's also quite common in other places too.
Back to the ribbon banners for a while until they are finished.
I've managed to sort out a kind of symbol jigsaw set that you can use to make variations of multi-fold title banners. It's not perfect, and it can be a bit tricky to work out which bit to put where, but at least it snaps together pretty seamlessly.
And already onto the scrolls. I did some titles, but I'm not happy with them yet. I think the labels came out better.
Would it work better if the curled scrolls faced towards the viewer, instead of away? That's basically the way someone would read/view a scroll in many cases, so it may be that's what's making them look a little "off" just now.
You would think so, wouldn't you, but to be honest the shadows get in the way and a lot of space is wasted.
I've seen many more maps with scroll labels this way around than I have with them the other way around. Probably for those reasons.
I suppose I'm just more used to having worked with real scrolls down the years, than how cartographer's have opted to draw them!
I have also worked with real scrolls. I've a few stuck in tubes under my bed. A whole map is usually rolled up with the map on the inside, but scroll labels are a virtual creation employed by fantasy artists and nowhere near as practical.
Besides. I don't have time to change everything now if there are to be any seals. These things take forever to draw.
Does anyone happen to know if you ask Symbol Manager to make a collection of symbols but ignore the letters at the end, do those letters have to be separated from the numbers by a space, or be right next to them?
For example, which of these would work? The letter at the end indicates which part of the title it is - L = left end, M = middle section, and R = right end.
"Title sc A 01L.png"
"Title sc A 01 L.png"
...
@Wyvern - I've had a change of heart about the relative importance of the scrolls and the seals. Since this is the Banners and Seals issue, and not the Seals and Banners issue, I think we can afford to lose a couple of seals in favour of having a small set of scrolls with the roll at the front. They are only just started, but here they are with the rest of the banners.
(6 symbol connectivity test using the "bright" version of Title A style)
Now if you only designed fonts as well @Loopysue, there'd be nothing we couldn't ask you for ?
I decided against buying font creating software since it would probably take too much of my time ;)
(I would get hooked on it and not be able to give up)