I love the old, archaic maps. Hope something comes of this, although I suspect Sue is already burning the candle at both end and the middle! Just don't stress yourself out or get sick trying to do too much and please everyone Sue.
I can work with those examples - when I get the time, that is.
The first and most important thing of all, however, is that I manage to work out how to automatically align the striped field textures properly as they are drawn. This will involve creating a drawing tool that uses a macro, and I'm pretty rubbish at macros. However, this seems like a good opportunity to try and get a bit better.
I know I've said it earlier, and you have already acknowledged it, but I cannot stress enough that I have no idea when I will get the time to do all of this, or even if PF will be interested in the style once it is done. These are just the very early stages - the brainstorming bit that comes before the hard work.
Oh Scott - I didn't see your comment while I was writing my own.
Thank you for being concerned
I am indeed burning everything in all directions, but only very slowly right now as I'm still not feeling 100% well. But rest assured - I can't actually overdo it any more. I just haven't got the energy to carry on like a teenager :P when sleep comes, it comes
V2 is the same as before but with stronger distortion nodes. V3 is the same again but with the stripes inverted, because I noticed how the wobbliness on V2 was more like blobbiness than wobbliness (convex curves v concave curves). V4 is with a longer wavelength on V3, and V5 with an even longer wavelength.
Way too wobbly. Looking at the original map, most of the time, the lines have the exact same thickness all along, with just a minor variation on the edges. I think your original attempt on the previous page looks much closer than these.
Ok. I still have the originals, so no problem there. I can always fine tune things right at the end of everything when I've got an example map going and can see how it matches with the original.
There aren't any ends in a seamless texture, Jim, but there are sheet effects that will cause the rows to appear to come to an end just before the hedgerow
The likelihood that what I'm doing will end up being a precise facsimile of the original hand drawn maps is actually quite low because I'm using digital techniques to emulate hand drawn results. I can probably get this quite close, but it will take a lot of experimenting. That means a lot of comments and consultations, so instead of utterly hijacking khornishman's thread (as if I haven't already - sorry khornishman!), I'm going to start one of my own to carry on the development. I should have done that right from the start really, but I wasn't really thinking all that far ahead when I showed the first draft textures.
Is it all right if I link to it from here, khornishman?
Great work and it is totally okay posting that all here. The other thread is fine too.
I am still needing to finish slogging through about another 100 of the map sections to see if there are other fills beyond what I already posted. However you wish to proceed within the forum is okay by me, whether linking threats or whatever.
I did not think to see anything of this for some time, so this is a nice surprise, thank you.
I have quite a collection of images to work from now.
That I've started on this now doesn't necessarily mean that there will be rapid progress. I have a few other projects that are long overdue, and I've lit the fuse on the copyright issue.
I don't suppose this might be 'crown copyright' of the Netherlands, would it?
another fill for meadows or perhaps marshy ground. Not marshy ground, after checking about a dozen maps with this fill. May be undulating, but not hilly, meadows.
I do not have a copy of this map, but might be able to get one in December. I have a friend who can go through the book for me, in Belgium. I will ask her if there's some key to the fills used.
I know there is an infrequently published version, Lannoo Publishers did a one in 2011. But, the original map was finished in 1778 and is kept in the Royal Library of Belgium.
It looks like most international copyright laws for maps have an expiration of 70 years after the death of the last person who worked on the map, but in the case of Crown copyrights in England, it is 125 years. I seriously doubt anyone can take issue with a style from over 200 years ago. But, I will still ask my friend.
edit. I just wrote to the Royal Library of Belgium, asking about it.
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I can work with those examples - when I get the time, that is.
The first and most important thing of all, however, is that I manage to work out how to automatically align the striped field textures properly as they are drawn. This will involve creating a drawing tool that uses a macro, and I'm pretty rubbish at macros. However, this seems like a good opportunity to try and get a bit better.
I know I've said it earlier, and you have already acknowledged it, but I cannot stress enough that I have no idea when I will get the time to do all of this, or even if PF will be interested in the style once it is done. These are just the very early stages - the brainstorming bit that comes before the hard work.
Thank you for being concerned
I am indeed burning everything in all directions, but only very slowly right now as I'm still not feeling 100% well. But rest assured - I can't actually overdo it any more. I just haven't got the energy to carry on like a teenager :P when sleep comes, it comes
I know they aren't in context at the moment, but what do you think? Too wobbly? Not the right colour? Too dark/light? Too grey?
Ok.
I might have time to look at it again tomorrow
This is the wobbliness chart.
V2 is the same as before but with stronger distortion nodes. V3 is the same again but with the stripes inverted, because I noticed how the wobbliness on V2 was more like blobbiness than wobbliness (convex curves v concave curves). V4 is with a longer wavelength on V3, and V5 with an even longer wavelength.
So. Am I getting any closer with this?
Ok. I still have the originals, so no problem there. I can always fine tune things right at the end of everything when I've got an example map going and can see how it matches with the original.
And I like the first set better than the second.
Darker, but not necessarily wider...
The likelihood that what I'm doing will end up being a precise facsimile of the original hand drawn maps is actually quite low because I'm using digital techniques to emulate hand drawn results. I can probably get this quite close, but it will take a lot of experimenting. That means a lot of comments and consultations, so instead of utterly hijacking khornishman's thread (as if I haven't already - sorry khornishman!), I'm going to start one of my own to carry on the development. I should have done that right from the start really, but I wasn't really thinking all that far ahead when I showed the first draft textures.
Is it all right if I link to it from here, khornishman?
Great work and it is totally okay posting that all here. The other thread is fine too.
I am still needing to finish slogging through about another 100 of the map sections to see if there are other fills beyond what I already posted. However you wish to proceed within the forum is okay by me, whether linking threats or whatever.
I did not think to see anything of this for some time, so this is a nice surprise, thank you.
I have quite a collection of images to work from now.
That I've started on this now doesn't necessarily mean that there will be rapid progress. I have a few other projects that are long overdue, and I've lit the fuse on the copyright issue.
I don't suppose this might be 'crown copyright' of the Netherlands, would it?
Or of Belgium?
Yes. I will ask her.
I know there is an infrequently published version, Lannoo Publishers did a one in 2011. But, the original map was finished in 1778 and is kept in the Royal Library of Belgium.
It looks like most international copyright laws for maps have an expiration of 70 years after the death of the last person who worked on the map, but in the case of Crown copyrights in England, it is 125 years. I seriously doubt anyone can take issue with a style from over 200 years ago. But, I will still ask my friend.
edit. I just wrote to the Royal Library of Belgium, asking about it.