Thanks Shessar, but that isn't what is happening here. It's so strange....i can only get the woodcuts IF i delete the Edge Stripping on the Land Sheet, however, as you can see, although it is checked for Outside, i am getting it on both sides. I've also deactivated the Edge Stripping that seems to be on the Sea Sheet. I've tried every combination i can think of to get this right!!! It's nuts.
I get the edge striping on the Land sheet. It's huge and fuzzy, but that's because it's using the default effect settings and the map is scaled much smaller than the style is designed for (like mine). Here are screen shots from the test map on my system. Click them to see the full-size.
Full map, with effects
Land sheet only, with effects
Coastline sheet only, with effects
Full map, with effect settings modified for smaller scale
For the last image, I tweaked the effect settings for the smaller scale. Your test map is about 100 mi across, like mine. The default for the style is 1,000 mi across, I believe. So, I divided most of the effects settings by 10 or so. In some cases, I made the effect a little larger than 10% of the default (e.g. 0.15 instead of 0.1). I didn't touch your symbol or fill style scales, however. I've attached the tweaked map, if you want to see the settings I used.
If you don't get the same results as the images I posted here, you may want to check with Ralf when he gets back.
OK when I open the maps you've posted, this is what I see and the settings. I would unintal the annual then redownload and install again. It's almost like your effects settings have become corrupted.
The notion of "inside" and "outside" for the Edge Striping filter relates to whether a pixel is drawn ("inside") or not ("outside") on a particular sheet. Due to how effects are rendered, whether a pixel is drawn actually means whether a pixel's color is changed. For example, drawing a solid white rectangle on a white background will probably be invisible to the effects system because the new pixels didn't change the color. If you draw a solid white rectangle with a black border onto a white background, then the black border will be the "inside" for the purposes of the filter and the background as well as the white inside would be the "outside" in this case.
I'm pretty sure the edge striping is wide and wacky and the blur is so pronounced and wide as well because of the map scale vs the effects settings. The effects were set for a map scaled 10x bigger.
@ Dogtag, I agree, but her images are showing the setting being changed to 3. It is also showing the effect being on the coastline rather than the land. *Shrugs*
OK, here is a question for jslayton if he's still around. When sharing a map's fcw, shouldn't the effects settings be saved with the map? If they should, why are my settings different than her settings when I open her map?
I have a general question: If you have the edge striping set fine for small scale maps, and then a blur after that, wouldn't the edge striping just disappear anyway? Is that maybe why Lorelei couldn't see any at all to start with? I mean, if you look at the initial image before she changed anything, the Land sheet is below the Sea sheet, and the sea sheet has a blur on it. Could it be possible that the land edge striping was there all along, but wasn't visible because of the blur on the overlying sea?
Hang on a bit. The Sea is on top of the Land, so the Sea would be obliterating the edge striping from the land anyway.
Posted By: Shessar@ Dogtag, I agree, but her images are showing the setting being changed to 3. It is also showing the effect being on the coastline rather than the land. *Shrugs*
Sorry if I was unclear. I'm referring to your screen shots, Shessar, created with the effect settings in the test FCW lorelei posted, which was using the default settings for the effects.
Posted By: LoreleiHmmm.....that doesn't seem to be working for me. I've got the effects on and my landmass is on my land sheet. weird.
This one shows the edge striping of the land obliterated by the sea... or at least it would if you could quote an image. Its the one she posted 21 hours ago.
What happens, Lorelei, if you open a brand new map and pull the land sheet down the stack so that its actually sitting on top of the Sea sheet, rather than underneath it?
Hm. Maybe. It looks fine on my system (click for larger version).
One thing I notice about this style is that I need to refresh, even after turning on effects. After I turn on the effects, the blur kicks in but not the edge striping. If I click Refresh then the edge striping displays. Worth a shot?
I can get the right look to the map if i move the coastline below the land so the land covers the inner woodcut. Its a quick fix...but still doesn't explain the problem.
hmmm...its got to be something going on with MY system? If i hide the coastline and just show the land...with the effect....nothing. I've never had a problem with any other Annual before. The only recent change i've made is i'm a beta tester for Bogie's symbols? Anyone else a beta tester with the Annual? I'm going to get in touch with ProFantasy and see if they know what's going on here. Like i said, i CAN just move the Coastline Sheet UNDER the Land to hide the inside woodcut i can't seem to get rid of.
Referring to Lorelei's question about the Beta testing...
Ah! AH - HA
I am.
Although I couldn't see any of your map I was getting similar problems as you were with the effect (which I could see), but not quite the same. I used edge striping in my Observatory map for a minor effect on a piece of bow window roofing. I noticed then that if I had it on both sides I got nothing. I thought it was maybe a CC3/CC3+ glitch.
Posted By: DogtagIs there edge striping on the Coastline sheet? Did you add it? In the test maps you've posted, Coastline just has the default Blur effect.
Land = Edge Striping (35, Outer)
Sea = Edge Striping (20, Inner)
Terrain =
Borders = Edge Fade; Blur
Rivers = Glow; Glow
Coastline = Blur
Right?
Yes, Dogtag, this is EXACTLY how a new default map is set up. I can ONLY get the woodcut (EdgeStripping) effect if i add it to Coastline. And Sue, i think this just may just have to do with the beta because i can ONLY get an edge strip on the inside and the outside but neither on their own.
Then we have the opposite problem, because I can only get either the outside or the inside, but not both, but you have to remember that I have a unique set up, even among Beta testers, because I am the only one running the test on a machine that only has CC3+ running in complete isolation. Ie - no DD3, no CD3, no annuals - no nothing.
BUT
The beta test has nothing to do with the problems that the others (Breschau of Livonia, and the others who started this thread) are having, because they aren't on the test... at least I don't think they are.
Nothing in the Bogie beta test even remotely touches the CC3+ program code. Dormant catalogs with symbols and fill styles and the addition of a 700 code series to a toolbar cannot cause problems in the internal program code. In no way are they connected together. This clearly is another CC3+ glitch.
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I wonder where Lorelei's got to...
Have you taken the edge striping off absolutely every other sheet but coastline?
Full map, with effects
Land sheet only, with effects
Coastline sheet only, with effects
Full map, with effect settings modified for smaller scale
For the last image, I tweaked the effect settings for the smaller scale. Your test map is about 100 mi across, like mine. The default for the style is 1,000 mi across, I believe. So, I divided most of the effects settings by 10 or so. In some cases, I made the effect a little larger than 10% of the default (e.g. 0.15 instead of 0.1). I didn't touch your symbol or fill style scales, however. I've attached the tweaked map, if you want to see the settings I used.
If you don't get the same results as the images I posted here, you may want to check with Ralf when he gets back.
I hope that helps,
~Dogtag
OK, here is a question for jslayton if he's still around. When sharing a map's fcw, shouldn't the effects settings be saved with the map? If they should, why are my settings different than her settings when I open her map?
Hang on a bit. The Sea is on top of the Land, so the Sea would be obliterating the edge striping from the land anyway.
I think this is a problem i need to bring to Ralf's attention.
One thing I notice about this style is that I need to refresh, even after turning on effects. After I turn on the effects, the blur kicks in but not the edge striping. If I click Refresh then the edge striping displays. Worth a shot?
Good luck!
~Dogtag
- Land = Edge Striping (35, Outer)
- Sea = Edge Striping (20, Inner)
- Terrain = <no effects>
- Borders = Edge Fade; Blur
- Rivers = Glow; Glow
- Coastline = Blur
Right?Ah! AH - HA
I am.
Although I couldn't see any of your map I was getting similar problems as you were with the effect (which I could see), but not quite the same. I used edge striping in my Observatory map for a minor effect on a piece of bow window roofing. I noticed then that if I had it on both sides I got nothing. I thought it was maybe a CC3/CC3+ glitch.
BUT
The beta test has nothing to do with the problems that the others (Breschau of Livonia, and the others who started this thread) are having, because they aren't on the test... at least I don't think they are.
~Dogtag
Nothing in the Bogie beta test even remotely touches the CC3+ program code. Dormant catalogs with symbols and fill styles and the addition of a 700 code series to a toolbar cannot cause problems in the internal program code. In no way are they connected together. This clearly is another CC3+ glitch.