Silly mapping software, do as I tell you

I am in CC3+ also tried CC3. I am trying to add a forest. Usually I do this in land feature sheet (I am in land features). I try to draw an outline of green to drop my forest stamps into and I am going over some already placed rivers. I then tell the rivers to come to the front (tried send to front, send behind, bring to front) and the rivers always vanish behind my forest filled outline. In the past it has always worked. What happened to my map to change this or make the forest outline always go in front of everything else already placed?

The map is an old map originally drawn with CC2 and updated little by little and saved as CC3, and now cc3+

What am I doing wrong, how can I fix?

Comments

  • GatharGathar Traveler
    If you ask some elements to go to the front, they will go to the front, but only within the sheet they belong to. The order of the sheets is more important than the order of the symbols. You should go to the sheet dialog box, and reorder the sheets there, or alternatively, it the elements don't belong to the right sheet, you can change that in the same way you can change other properties of elements. I hope I'm not too obscure...
  • Hi Gathar

    I was actually doing that and not having much luck
  • JimPJimP 🖼️ 280 images Cartographer
    edited April 2016
    Sheets rule the sequence items are drawn on the map.

    You can draw the forest polygon near the rivers. And drop the tree stamps on top of that.

    Or you can another method.

    The overland map template I'm using has:

    land
    land features
    forest
    coastline
    rivers
    symbols

    I would put the forest on forest. If it isn't on that sheet, Change Properties and move the trees or tree polygon to that sheet.

    Put the rivers on the river sheet.

    Add tree stamps, I presume you mean tree symbols, on the symbols sheet. They should go there normally.

    To move something to another sheet:

    1) right click on Change Properties on the left side of CC3+

    2) select 'Move Sheet' from the menu

    3) select the item tou want on another sheet

    4) right click and select 'Do it' from the menu.

    5) the Sheet menu will pop up. Select the sheet you want to move the item to.

    6) click Okay.

    all done.
  • jim

    That worked. But I have 1 issue. I create those sheets, put them in order, save edit, come back latter and those sheets are gone from my list and I have the default 4
    Common
    Rivers
    Land features
    Symbols

    How do I get them to stay there all the time?
  • For the new sheets to stay, you have to place something on those sheets when created.

    So lets say you make a sheet call Artic Land.
    You then have to create something on your map using the Artic Land sheet.
    If you don't.
    It will disappear.

    Hope that helps! :-)
  • I have, they are not staying
  • There is another thing that you can do, but I have to be looking at the screen to tell you.
    I will get back with you later tonight when I am home. :-)
  • Put a small dot or period at the lower left corner. It has to go on every sheet you add.
  • When I first started creating new sheets, I did not know about having to create something on the sheet to get it to stay.

    What I did was to create a new Effects Preset in the Sheet box and named it the same as my game world.

    In this case it is called Kelleemah.

    It allows you to have specific setting for different mapping projects that you are working on at the same time.

    That way, you can switch back and forth depending on which map you are working on.

    At least, that is my understanding.
  • You may want to hit Show All as well to make sure the sheets you created are not Hidden. Look as the list of commands on the left hand side of the Sheet box.

    Hope this helps. :-)
  • DkarrDkarr Traveler
    edited April 2016
    If your map started as a CC2 map you might have to individually move your entities to the correct sheet, since CC2 did not use sheets at all. If your are going to place the trees and the rivers on the same sheet you might lose the best capabilities of the software which is to apply different effects to different sheets.

    Move to front and to back only apply to entities within the same sheet.

    In your case it seems like your rivers are not on the same sheet as your forest. To correct that issue you will need to place the rivers on a sheet that is "lower" on the sheet list. This is so that it is drawn after the forest and therefore above it when being viewed.
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