Ok. Overall, I would have to say that this is a very - very - good improvement over CC3. It just feels more responsive. And even though I had hopped for CC3 to go to a more object oriented way of handling everything - I am still very impressed with the changes. Keep up the great work!
To JimP: Hmmmmm..... What I see in the pictures shows a first picture zoomed out and the second one zoomed in. Any image that you zoom out on will begin to have the problem I'm speaking of. This is because there is only so much a monitor can do and unlike an analog monitor - a digital monitor starts dropping what it thinks can not be displayed very rapdily. If you make a map and then zoom in on it - you will see more than if you zoom it further out. It is just how monitors work (and the software that drives them too). So it could be CC3+ but I'm thinking it to be more the driver of the monitor (ie: the monitor's software) or the monitor itself.
To test this - all you would have to do is to load in the zoomed picture into Photoshop and then zoom it out. If it begins doing the same thing - then it is more likely the monitor. Photoshop does an excellent job of trying to keep everything intact. So if this happens under Photoshop then it can not be CC3+'s fault. If it does NOT happen though, then the vector engine in CC3+ is not rendering things correctly. I realize Photoshop is a bitmap editor but what we are testing is the monitor - not the software. By testing the monitor we eliminate whether it is the monitor that is causing the problem or the software. Once the monitor is removed as the problem - all that is left is CC3+ itself. Get it? Hope so! :-)
The map that shows the Gorgon mountains isn't zoomed out. I don't use Photoshop for anything.
Symbol scale on map where all symbols show clearly on a 1000x800 miles template is 1.0, large island continent I posted above.
Symbol scale on B&W map where most symbols show blurry on a 1000x800 miles template is 2.0.
I'm doing this on a laptop, and no other symbol set does this, so I suspect the symbol set. I'm a computer tech, for just over 30 years, I know how monitors work.
Jim, this is the normal way CC3 displays bitmap symbols at lower resolutions. A color map will be the same, it's just not as noticeable. Zoom in or export at a higher resolution, and the effect will go away.
EDIT: In fact this made us aware of a problem with symbol display resolution in CC3+. Thanks for that!
I installed it yesterday and tested it out a little.
I runs a bit smoother than CC3. The larger buttons are big improvement as my eyes in my old age have trouble seeing with CC3 small ones now.
I went and read through the Help File I noticed one problem in the Help File
In the HTML Help file
In the CC+ for New Users page found in Start Here. The Try our ten-minute Quick Start Guide doesn't work when you.
One questions that I do have regarding future comparability updates for add-ons
Since compatibility updates will get released for older product is it going to be of any benefit to keep the older CC3 installed. My CC3 program folder is currently over 20 gigs large and I'm not sure how much more space CC3+ when all the updates are done in the future.
Will the FR Interactive Atlas have an update to let you use the symbols in CC3+ or will I just need to move over the map symbols manually into CC3+ in the future for it and for some other products.
In doing a test map I noticed that the default for text spacing is set to 0. So if you are going to be inserting multi line text remember to change that to something like 120% .
Posted By: pvernonIn doing a test map I noticed that the default for text spacing is set to 0. So if you are going to be inserting multi line text remember to change that to something like 120% .
Which style was that, Mike Schley Overland?
Posted By: JimPHere is another map. CC3 Overland BW, the symbols look better. Template used is 1000x800 miles.
That is a vector style which works very differently from a style with bitmap symbols. For the Pär Lindström Dungeon style Simon mentions, you'll need to open that in CC3, otherwise you get the red Xs.
Posted By: whit2468on a surface pro 2 i'm finding the interface hard to use compared with cc3. Everything seems to be about 50% smaller than with cc3.
My experience is quite the opposite. I very much enjoy the fact that CC3+ ignores the display scaling. Earlier, I had to turn off display scaling each time I wanted to use CC3 properly on my surface Pro, and then re-enable it later (because everything else on the Surface Pro screen is a bit too tiny with display scaling off). Now with CC3+ ignoring display scaling, and the large toolbar buttons, it is a perfect combo. Now everything is crisp and clear, and the interface doesn't steal too much mapping space, while still being large enough to use. I am using the first generation Surface Pro myself, but it is the same screen size and resolution as the 2. I can see that some people may prefer the old way though, so a switch to toggle the behavior would have been nice. I don't know if this would be easy or not to implement though.
My experience is quite the opposite. I very much enjoy the fact that CC3+ ignores the display scaling. Earlier, I had to turn off display scaling each time I wanted to use CC3 properly on my surface Pro, and then re-enable it later (because everything else on the Surface Pro screen is a bit too tiny with display scaling off). Now with CC3+ ignoring display scaling, and the large toolbar buttons, it is a perfect combo. Now everything is crisp and clear, and the interface doesn't steal too much mapping space, while still being large enough to use. I am using the first generation Surface Pro myself, but it is the same screen size and resolution as the 2. I can see that some people may prefer the old way though, so a switch to toggle the behavior would have been nice. I don't know if this would be easy or not to implement though.
I don't believe CC3plus ignores scaling. ive done some rough checks on display scaling between no scaling (100%) and default scaling (150%). The interface seems to be adjusted appropriately.
its just cc3 scales up with everything larger, easier to read and select than cc3plus.
below is a screen print at 150% default scaling, cc3 on the left, cc3plus on the right below that is the screen print at 100% scaling, cc3 on the left, cc3plus on the right
Posted By: JimPHere is another map. CC3 Overland BW, the symbols look better. Template used is 1000x800 miles.
That is a vector style which works very differently from a style with bitmap symbols. For the Pär Lindström Dungeon style Simon mentions, you'll need to open that in CC3, otherwise you get the red Xs.
I have my CC3 install set to very high already. Bad eyesight, I prefer the VH setting.
The example map doesn't show blurry symbols. So I'm uncertain what I'm looking for.
Did some more playing around with CC3+ and noticed this.
I"m not sure if these are bugs.
No Example Maps or Templates Show up if you Right clicking on the CC3+ IconButton symbol to bring up any to see or chose from.
In the HTML Help file In the Tollbars section found under CC3+ Interface clicking on mot of the images to go to deceription of that button sends you to the wrong description for some. Also note that the icons and images in the manual don't match those for CC3+ and are instead for the older CC3.
Posted By: Jay_NOLAAlso note that the icons and images in the manual don't match those for CC3+ and are instead for the older CC3.
This is because the manual bundled in the installer is still the old CC3 one. I sent Ralf an updated version of the manual, it will be distributed in the next build of the installer and patches.
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To test this - all you would have to do is to load in the zoomed picture into Photoshop and then zoom it out. If it begins doing the same thing - then it is more likely the monitor. Photoshop does an excellent job of trying to keep everything intact. So if this happens under Photoshop then it can not be CC3+'s fault. If it does NOT happen though, then the vector engine in CC3+ is not rendering things correctly. I realize Photoshop is a bitmap editor but what we are testing is the monitor - not the software. By testing the monitor we eliminate whether it is the monitor that is causing the problem or the software. Once the monitor is removed as the problem - all that is left is CC3+ itself. Get it? Hope so! :-)
Symbol scale on map where all symbols show clearly on a 1000x800 miles template is 1.0, large island continent I posted above.
Symbol scale on B&W map where most symbols show blurry on a 1000x800 miles template is 2.0.
I'm doing this on a laptop, and no other symbol set does this, so I suspect the symbol set. I'm a computer tech, for just over 30 years, I know how monitors work.
EDIT: In fact this made us aware of a problem with symbol display resolution in CC3+. Thanks for that!
I runs a bit smoother than CC3. The larger buttons are big improvement as my eyes in my old age have trouble seeing with CC3 small ones now.
I went and read through the Help File I noticed one problem in the Help File
In the HTML Help file
In the CC+ for New Users page found in Start Here. The Try our ten-minute Quick Start Guide doesn't work when you.
One questions that I do have regarding future comparability updates for add-ons
Since compatibility updates will get released for older product is it going to be of any benefit to keep the older CC3 installed. My CC3 program folder is currently over 20 gigs large and I'm not sure how much more space CC3+ when all the updates are done in the future.
Will the FR Interactive Atlas have an update to let you use the symbols in CC3+ or will I just need to move over the map symbols manually into CC3+ in the future for it and for some other products.
ive attached a screen print showing both open at the same time, so you can see the differances. CC3 is on the left, CC3plus on the right
I can see that some people may prefer the old way though, so a switch to toggle the behavior would have been nice. I don't know if this would be easy or not to implement though.
I can see that some people may prefer the old way though, so a switch to toggle the behavior would have been nice. I don't know if this would be easy or not to implement though.
I don't believe CC3plus ignores scaling. ive done some rough checks on display scaling between no scaling (100%) and default scaling (150%). The interface seems to be adjusted appropriately.
its just cc3 scales up with everything larger, easier to read and select than cc3plus.
below is a screen print at 150% default scaling, cc3 on the left, cc3plus on the right
below that is the screen print at 100% scaling, cc3 on the left, cc3plus on the right
The example map doesn't show blurry symbols. So I'm uncertain what I'm looking for.
first png is with 'Percent of Width' selected n Drop Shadow menu.
the second png is with Map Units selected. Big difference in where the drop shadow appears on the map, which I placed on the Symbols sheet.
I"m not sure if these are bugs.
No Example Maps or Templates Show up if you Right clicking on the CC3+ IconButton symbol to bring up any to see or chose from.
In the HTML Help file
In the Tollbars section found under CC3+ Interface clicking on mot of the images to go to deceription of that button sends you to the wrong description for some. Also note that the icons and images in the manual don't match those for CC3+ and are instead for the older CC3.