FRACTALISE - Why Sometimes I Can't Use It?

Mateus090985 · February 2012

I am doing my wolrd map and I use the fractalise toll, specialy for my small islands (I am putting A LOT of them). But when I try to use it on the first continent that I draw it does nothing... This is a pain because I will use this map for my regional and local maps and the level of detail that some of my costs have when I do a BIG zoom is not satisfactory and is VERY contrasting to the small islands that can be found near the coast.

So what options do I have?

Here is a screenshoot of my layers. The others dont have nothing marked

JimP · February 2012

Is your continent on the background payer, or on one of the frozen layers ?

Mateus090985 · February 2012

As long as I can tell all my landmasses are in the RELIEF/CONTOURS layer and the only ones that are frozen are the HEX/SQUARE GRID and TEMPLATE. But as I told, I can fractalise almost anything on the map except for one continent (at least as long as I know).

jaerdaph · February 2012

Hmmm. Does the continent have an outline of some sort? That would make it two entities instead of one, and that could prevent Fractalise from working correctly. To check, do an Info -> List on the continent. The command prompt should tell you if you have selected one or two entities when you click the continent, and Do It will list the entity(ies) selected.

Mateus090985 · February 2012

Well here are 2 screen shoots:

What can I do?

Mateus090985 · February 2012

And what happens if I unfroze the frozed layers above (the ones in the image listing my layers)?

JimP · February 2012

It wont hurt anything to thaw your template and hex layers.

JimP · February 2012

Would you mind posting your map fcw file ? We can look at it and figure out what is going on. Not necessarily me, but someone around here can figure it out.

Mateus090985 · February 2012

Posted By: JimPWould you mind posting your map fcw file ? We can look at it and figure out what is going on. Not necessarily me, but someone around here can figure it out.

Here it is. Another thing, some islands dont ue the fill that I order then when I turn the effects on. You have to do a good zoom where I marked.

EDIT: I cant attach it. Does the forum has size limits? My archive has 16.3mb when ziped.

jaerdaph · February 2012

It looks like you are indeed selecting three entities when you click to select the continent, and the first and third one are duplicates sitting on top of each other. I'm not sure what each one is supposed to be though (i.e. which one is the base continent). Are they all on the same SHEET as well as being on the same layer? Notice how each of those three entities have different Tag numbers (tag #) listed in the list output? Every entity in a CC3 map has a unique Tag number, even if the entity is an exact copy of another one. You could always narrow your initial selection of three down to just one (with both the Info -> List and the Fractalise command, and Erase too as well as other CC3 commands) by clicking on the continent to get 3 items selected, then *right* clicking and select Combine from the menu that pops up, then AND from the menu that pops up from that one, *right* click again and select More from the menu that pops up, then Tag # from the menu that pops up from that, type in the tag # for one of the entities (down in the lower left corner you will see the command line prompt asking for a tag # input) and hit Enter, and then you should have just one entity selected. [That's called advanced selection using Boolean operators, which is one of the more advanced "under the hood" features in CC3 that show its true power and selection superiority to other drawing programs like GIMP or Photoshop.] That will get you down to just one entity since each entity has a unique tag #. Assume regular left mouse clicks for selecting anything that I don't specifically state as being *right* mouse clicks. Give that a try and see if it works. It's a little tricky, but I think you can piece through it.
Remember, we need just one item selected for Fractalise to work properly as it only works on one entity at a time.

jslayton · February 2012

23000 nodes is a lot of nodes. Do you really need that many?

jaerdaph · February 2012

Items not using the fill when you turn on effects - those entities look very small compared to the rest of the map. Are your Edge Fade or other Sheet Effects settings possibly too big for them and making them disappear because they get completely faded out?

Mateus090985 · February 2012

Posted By: jslayton23000 nodes is a lot of nodes. Do you really need that many?

Yes, I need because I will use this map to do my regionals and locals maps. So need a lot of fractalization for the locals map look nice

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Mateus090985 · February 2012

Posted By: jaerdaphItems not using the fill when you turn on effects - those entities look very small compared to the rest of the map. Are your Edge Fade or other Sheet Effects settings possibly too big for them and making them disappear because they get completely faded out?

When I uncheck my Glow (inner) the problem about the tiny islands is resolved. Thank you. Now let me see if I can follow your step-by-step to solve the problem about the continent.

And as I said above, I cant attach my map file. Does the forum has size limits? My archive has 16.3mb when ziped.

Monsen · February 2012

You really shouldn't do that amount on fractalization on your main map. As jslayton said, 23.000 is a lot, and it might soon turn into a problem, because there is a limit to how many nodes the underlying operating system can handle.

Normally, when you make a local map, you will increase the fractalization level on your local map after extracting a segment of the world map to make a local map, not on the main world map itself. On your world map, you shouldn't have more fractalization than strictly needed to make that look good at appropriate zoom levels (And just to clarify, local maps should be extracted to their own map files, you should not try to make one incredibly detailed map where you can just zoom in/out to get all the way from world map to local map just by zooming)

And yes, the forum has a size limit of 2MB, which is enough to accommodate most (~90%) CC3 maps. The reason for the size of your map is the extreme amount of nodes. I suggest you put it on an external file hosting service, and share the link here.

Mateus090985 · February 2012

Posted By: jaerdaphIt looks like you are indeed selecting three entities when you click to select the continent, and the first and third one are duplicates sitting on top of each other. I'm not sure what each one is supposed to be though (i.e. which one is the base continent). Are they all on the same SHEET as well as being on the same layer? Notice how each of those three entities have different Tag numbers (tag #) listed in the list output? Every entity in a CC3 map has a unique Tag number, even if the entity is an exact copy of another one. You could always narrow your initial selection of three down to just one (with both the Info -> List and the Fractalise command, and Erase too as well as other CC3 commands) by clicking on the continent to get 3 items selected, then *right* clicking and select Combine from the menu that pops up, then AND from the menu that pops up from that one, *right* click again and select More from the menu that pops up, then Tag # from the menu that pops up from that, type in the tag # for one of the entities (down in the lower left corner you will see the command line prompt asking for a tag # input) and hit Enter, and then you should have just one entity selected. [That's called advanced selection using Boolean operators, which is one of the more advanced "under the hood" features in CC3 that show its true power and selection superiority to other drawing programs like GIMP or Photoshop.] That will get you down to just one entity since each entity has a unique tag #. Assume regular left mouse clicks for selecting anything that I don't specifically state as being *right* mouse clicks. Give that a try and see if it works. It's a little tricky, but I think you can piece through it.
Remember, we need just one item selected for Fractalise to work properly as it only works on one entity at a time.

Right. I have done it in a copy of my file and have erased the second and third tag. Now the list counts only one entity but I still cant fractalise it =(.

JimP · February 2012

I fractalize my local maps. My continental size maps are just basic drawings.

For large maps I use the polygon tool to make the landmass. Maybe I click on fractalize once, with a depth of 15. Small maps get fractalized more timmes at a depth of 30.

As others have pointed out, fractalizing too much can cause a map crash as the computer operating system has limits.

jaerdaph · February 2012

Hmmm. Maybe because it is already fractalized so much and has a lot of nodes now, the default settings for Fractalise aren't having an effect anymore or a notable effect?
But do listen to jslayton, Monsen and JimP - too many nodes can lead to problems. For this scale map and how you want to use it, it would be better to fractalize more at the local level. You are already at 16.3mb, which is a relatively large CC3 file.

Mateus090985 · February 2012

Right. Thanks everybody for the comments, sugestions and help. My biggest problem is that I made the continet "by hand" (I had put all the nodes myself) and in some places there a big diference in fractalization when you zoom. I would only like to make in more "equal". There is some way to do it? Maybe "desfractalise" some parts to "free" nodes so I can have a more even coast?

JimP · February 2012

Delete node would work.

My suggestion for future maps would be to 'save as' with a filename sequence, e.g. filename01 filename02 filename03, etc. so if you need to go back to an earlier map, past the ability of undo, it is much easier. Some of my maps have gone up to version 250, with most between 50 and 100. I also do that in case i want to branch off in a different direction.

If you save to the same filename for all changes, you can't do any of that.

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