Some beginner's questions
Hi there!
Yesterday i've begun working with CC3, and I'm really excited about it.
I do have some simple question on which I hoped, and I'm pretty sure, that someone could help me
- How do I change the color / bitmap filling of a landmass? I keep using the edit tool... but somehow i only change the surrounding line's color. Might sound abit stupid, but I have been trying it for over 30 minutes without succes
- What are layers for? I understand sheets.. but don't get the purpose of layers. What's the difference?
Thanks alot!
Yesterday i've begun working with CC3, and I'm really excited about it.
I do have some simple question on which I hoped, and I'm pretty sure, that someone could help me
- How do I change the color / bitmap filling of a landmass? I keep using the edit tool... but somehow i only change the surrounding line's color. Might sound abit stupid, but I have been trying it for over 30 minutes without succes
- What are layers for? I understand sheets.. but don't get the purpose of layers. What's the difference?
Thanks alot!
Comments
Layers serves as groupings for entities. For example, you can make a layer named SECRET and put all your secret stuff there. When you print the map to give to your players, you just hide the SECRET layer before printing, and those entities does not show up on the map. While you can also show/hide sheets, these also controls the drawing order, so a single sheet cannot hide two objects where one is on top of a given object and another one is below.
So I right-click the Change-Properties tool, select Change Fill Style, and select the landmass whose filling I wish to change. Ok, that makes sense.
But then I right-click the landmass, and do something with "Combine"? I'm sorry, but I still don't fully understand.
- Layers serves as groupings for entities. For example, you can make a layer named SECRET and put all your secret stuff there. When you print the map to give to your players, you just hide the SECRET layer before printing, and those entities does not show up on the map. While you can also show/hide sheets, these also controls the drawing order, so a single sheet cannot hide two objects where one is on top of a given object and another one is below. -
Ok, tnx
The fill wouldn't change, because I've somehow made this landmass' fill unchangable. I think.
It just stays white, and only the lines are changeable.
But when I draw a new, default landmass, I CAN change the fill by using the pop-up window
Thanks anyway
In CC3, if the line with is 0, the object is filled, but if the line width is greater than zero, then only the line itself is filled (the rest of the object is empty). You can change the line width through the change properties dialog to test this.
type the word list
( it should show up on the command line bottom of CC3
then press the enter key.
Select the object you want to change.
A small window shows up with
Sheet
layer
layer
One of those layers is the outline, one is the fill/color.
You can right click Change Properties, select Change fill style. Right click, a menu appears.
Scroll down to More -> and select from that small menu Entity tag #
type in the tag number you got from list.
Go up to the right hand corner of CC3 where you see FS
Click there, click the bitmap tab, select one.Click okay.
You have no changed the bitmap fill of that one thing.
If it is a color instead of a bitmap fill you want changed, just select the color button and use that instead.
And if i select something (with the change tool, i guess), no sheet-layer-layer window shows up.
I understand now how to open the change-fill findow, but don't see an ''Entity tag'' menu.
(btw, My current problem is that i can't figure out how to change a landmass' fill and outline seperately. Sometimes the whole landmass turns black, sometimes only the line changes color... Sometimes the line just seems to dissapear when the whole chunk turns one color. It's very confusing
@Monsen: The line width was indeed greater than zero. But even now i've made it zero, the whole landmass (line and fill) turns white, if i change the color into white.
1. Start a new map based on a standard CC3 overland template
2. Use the landmass tool
3. Click the Change Properties
4. Click on the edge of the landmass
5. Notice how the command line at the bottom now tells you that you have two entities selected. This is both the landmass and the outline. We don't want to change the outline, so we must somehow exclude it from our selection
6. Right click anywhere inside the drawing area. This produces a pop-up menu
7. Select the "Combine" item form the menu, and the "Not" item from the submenu. The "Not" options allows us to specify a property that the selected entities should not have. We know that the outline is black, so let us tell CC3 that we do not want to select obects that are black.
8. Right click inside the draw window again. This time, select "Color" from the popup-menu. This allow us to specify a color. Since we selected the "Not" option in the previous step, we no specify the color the entity should NOT have.
9. Either just type the number 0 on the command line (and hit enter), - OR - click the color indicator in the status bar at the top, select the top-left color (black), then hit ok.
10. Notice now that the command line tells uss that only one item is selected. The outline was removed from our selection becuase we told CC3 that we did not want black entities.
11. Righ-click, and select "Do It"
12. The Change properties dialog pops up. Make the appropriate changes, click ok. Click the redraw button
Not a wordlist, but type the word list<enter> at the command line. This starts the list command. You can now select multiple entities (just as with the change properties command, and then right click and select "Do it" to see information about the selected items, like entity tag.
Instead of typing list, you can also select "list" from the "Info" menu.
But I now have two landmasses:
One landmass' line has the same color as it's fill,
and one landmass has a line whose filling (the line's filling) is the same color as the landmass' fill.
How do I give them back their black line, so i can change the fill the way you learned me.
Because if i now tell cc3 not to change the line, it also won't change the fill.
To do this, you first need to find the entity number. This is done by using the lsit command discussed above (Info -> List). Use this command to get inf on your landmass, and find the entity number of both the outline and the landmass itself.
Now, do the exact same steps as in my post above, but instead of selecting "color", you should select "entity tag" instead (Entity tag is in the "More" submenu of the popup-menu). Note that while you could just the color dialog to select the color, you will need to actually type the entity number in manually when the command line asks for it. Depending on which entity tag number you typed in, you will end up with either the landmass or the outline selected, and can change the properties to the appropriate values
So now i have my two colored landmasses, with black 0-width lines. Now I'd like to give my lines width 2.
But when I change the Width to 2, two unexpected things happen:
The landmass's fill simply disappears. You can look trough it.
The line's fill becomes the color of the landmass's fill (which disappeared).
If you have a black outline, you can change that, but make sure you select only the outline, and not both the outline and the entity. If you don't have an outline, you can add one first with the "Outline in Black" tool in the right-hand toolbars.
Now I know how to select just the fill (by telling cc3 not to select the line), but I can't find the fill's tag in the list-menu.
Just click the desired command (like change properties), then, instead of selecting anything at all in the map, just right click in the drawing area, select More -> Entity Tag number, and just type in the tag number of the line. This will select the entity with that tag number, and nothing else (provided you haven't clicked on any other entities).
When you use the *LIST* command, select both.
You will get a (probably long) list with the two polygons.
One will have a fill style set to HOLLOW or a line width greater than 0. It's your *line*.
The other will have a fill style set to SOLID or whatever and a line width of 0. It's your *fill*.
Each will have it's individual tag #.
If I do what Monsen suggested (properties, rklick somewhere, entity tag 9046, rklick again > do it, rklick again) the pop-up window opens.
I change the color to black, but when I press ok the "fill" becomes black, and the line keeps it's color. (instead of otherwise)
I'm sorry, but...
I wish to give both landmass´ a black 1-width line.
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I think I understand what you're trying to do -- but I'm not clear why the help we've given hasn't gotten you to solution. By having the map we can give you specific instructions, tied to an example that you have in-hand. And if there is something odd going on,we can diagnose that.
Steve
Entities have two colors : the outline color which is the main one, and a second color. If the entity is *fillable* (a polygon, or anything with a line width>0) the second color will fill the outline.
In your case, your have a
#9046 polygon with line width 0, color 0, second color 19 which yields a beige polygon with a thin black outline. You don't see that outline because
#9047 polygon with line width 1, color 0, second color 0 which yields a 1' thick black outline that overlaps the outline of #9046.
Now,
#9050 polygon with line width 1, color 22, second color 15 yields a 1' thick white outline whose own shape is outlined in color 22 (gray-blue).
When a closed polygon has a line width>0, it won't fill anymore. What CC3 takes as filling area is the thickness of the line.
I think #9046 and #9047 are good as is.
For #9050, try the following :
type
CHANGELW (change line width)
#9050
d (for do it)
0
CHANGEC (change main color)
p (for prior, last entity affected)
d
15
COPY
p
d
0,0
0,0
right click
CHANGELW
p
d
1
CHANGEC2 (changes second color)
p
d
22
Hope it's what you wish...
This is my current situation.
But why now can't I change the fill (or whatever it's called) of the two largest landmasses, like I can do to the smaller islands?
(I do this by NOT selecting black, or NOT selecting the line's entity tag)
When I do this with the two large landmasses, it's just the line that changes color.
I'm sorry if you somehow already explained it... I can't really comprehend all this different types of entities yeth. I think that's something you have to learn while exploring the program, and not during your first map.
Again, LIST is your friend. Using list, I noticed that your largest landmass has an entity tag of 9046.
Now, let us select it a bit differently.
1. Click Change Properties
2. Do NOT click on any entity
3. Right Click, Select More -> Entity Tag #, and type in 9046
4. The landmass is now selected. Hit the D key (For 'Do It')
5. Now, just change the color
But i tought that was the Tag of the landmass' line..?
When the line width is equal to 0, there is basically no line, and you have a completely filled object (Like a landmass)
When line width is greater than 0, you have a outline without any fill (The line itself may have a fill style and color, but that only applies to the actual line, not the area inside the outline)