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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2019 edited
     
    Again another city doodle, using a Watabou Medieval City Generator map. Here I am using the SS5 City style. The map looks fine on my CC3+, but looks all gritty on the png - anyone help me here.
      Small City on River 1.PNG
      Small City on River 1 with Bitmap.PNG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2019
     
    That's the resolution and size of the PNG. Have you used any antialiasing in the export? I recommend a minimum of 20%, and usually use more like 67% myself.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2019
     
    Nice map, by the way! :D
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2019
     
    No, I didn't - I never have actually, probably because I don't even know what it does, and what to set it at. I will try your suggestion.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2019
     
    That seemed to work, but massively increased the file size. I'll leave the maps up as they are to see what other input i get. i have never had this problem before. it is the first time I have used SS5
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2019 edited
     
    Its not related to SS5 in particular. Antialiasing is what is used to soften the ultra-sharp edges of the pixels by blending them very slightly with their neighbours. It's basically controlled fuzziness to allow for the fact that human beings actually have really poor vision - compared to a hawk. The image without antialiasing is too sharp for us to see it properly, so it breaks down a bit as the brain struggles to cope with interpreting something it can't really focus on.

    How the antialiasing is done is by exporting a larger image than requested, and reducing it using an antialiasing algorithm. Not sure why the resulting file should be bigger in MB, but it may be down to the fact that blending pixels will tend to increase the number of colours in the image overall.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2019
     
    For file size, I've noticed that ImageMagick (the tool CC3+ uses for final processing) isn't always the best at producing small files. For .png images, simply opening the image in an image editor and re-saving it without making any changes at all can often cut the image size in half or more, without any effect on quality.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2019
     
    Now that's an interesting piece of information I will store away in my memory for future use.

    I currently use Corel Paintshop Pro just to reduce the number of colours to 64K, which can reduce the file size by about 50% again.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Some further progress on this city. So far, about 4 hours work.
    Could my best critics, Monsen, Sue, Wyvern (and Dogtag if he's listening) please jump in and tear this to pieces before I add the finishing touches.
      Small City on River 1 small.png
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Well, Quenten, I might be mistaken because I've only just woken up, but I can't see anything wrong with the city itself.

    But I am wondering if you changed the scaling of the fills in any way? The grass and the fields are both pretty badly affected by texture redundancy, which is where the repeating pattern of a seamless fill becomes uncomfortably obvious because of the number of times it is being repeated across the image in both dimensions - that 'squarey' look it has.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Here are the fields zoomed in. The horizontal fields i have doubled the scale, the vertical ones halved, and the same for the grass. Which is better IYO, and what should I do?
      Small City on River 1 detail.PNG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Assuming that they are at High or Very High res in this last image, I would say they all need to be about 10 times bigger than they are. So if the texture scale is 5 make it 50. That may be too large, but they are definitely far too small right now.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Tanks, Sue
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    The field texture is the one you really need to sort out. I am assuming the grass will be covered with all kinds of other stuff?
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    The outskirts of the city, especially the top left of the map look unnaturally empty, unless it is cultivated land (which it doesn't seem to be), there should be some wild growth there. And that compose rose would look much better up in the corner, instead of along the side of the map.

    Sue's already mentioned the fills, but let me add the river fill to her list.

    Nitpickery, but move your map title a few map units, right now it has a small overlap with a building, but there is enough space that it doesn't have to.

    I'm not too fond of all that grey inside the city walls. It makes it look like they have poured gravel over every square inch, and are really dedicated to keep it that way (which is expensive). Cities of old was often more dirt than anything else, not the concrete/asphalt jungles of today.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Thanks for all that - just the type of comment I want to hear. the top right will have a coat of arms and motto, and the other empty areas will have forests and grazing lands. There may even be a lumber yard. Consider the title and compass moved - I would not have seen this without your comment. i will ponder the city fill - it is meant to be cobbles inside the walls, but I may make some of it dirt, and also try to fix the cobbled fill along the lines of the rest of the fills.

    And exactly what do you have against the exquisite beauty of our soaring steel and glass pinnacles raised to the Glory of Mammon, and the fairytale quality of not a concrete jungle but an asphalt woodland. Really, Remy!
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Actually, I do like modern cities, as long as no-one forces me to actually live inside of them.

    Posted By: Quentenit is meant to be cobbles inside the walls
    Cobble, gravel, same thing really. Still makes things look a bit odd to me when the city is filled up with it. Of course, the actual setting affects this. I always prefer to have a real-world medieval look on things, but of course that is not the basis of all fantasy maps.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    I agree with you even about cities - which is why I live on a smallish island, off a bigger island off the smallest continent, which is kilometres from anywhere!
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2019
     
    Wish I could live somewhere remote!

    All I can afford is to stay put in on the fringes of a town. The rich kids have moved into the rural areas in my county and its become 'the' place to live, meaning people born here like me can't afford to live in the rural areas any more.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    The city is finished -- at this stage. I will leave it 2 days before submitting it to Monsen for the Atlas. PLEASE tear it to pieces before I submit it. Thank you to those who have - the map is better for it.
      Briarwood small.png
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    Fantastic map and I love the map legend! lol
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    Looks great with that grass texture all sorted out :)

    I had to laugh at the stadium name! :P
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    Why are you all laughing - I gave a lot of thought to those names. I am SO SO hurt. I'm going to sob into my pillows. 3:)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    Aaaaaw. Quenten!

    If you could see what a 'sporty' person I am you would laugh as well!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    Wow, i didn't know you were so sporty, Sue - swordfighting, hurdles, discus, high jump, football - what a woman! My breath is taken away,and I fall to the ground in joy and laughter at finding someone as gifted in sports as I am.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019 edited
     
    Oh no! Please stop!

    ROFL!

    (with the emphasis on the "roll")

    I'm a little barrel shaped person :P
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    All lolling aside, it truly is a fantastic map. I think its one of my favorites you've done, Quenten.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019
     
    Thanks Scott - I have to put in a wizard tower - the Great and Terrible Id, and the Anelesk Inn.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019 edited
     
    Here is the REALLY final version. I have added the tower of the Great and Terrible Wizard of Id, and enlarged the Danieleus Stadium, as well as indicated the position of the rollicking ol' Aneleskin Inn. Let me know what you think, and if there are any glaring errors.

    The compass has been altered to match the correct direction for placing the map in Banjar Province of Kumarikandam. Please take note, Oh Great and Terrible Wizard of Mons!
      Banjar Province - detail.PNG
      Briarwood small2.png
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2019 edited
     
    Can someone tell me if i have the compass pointing in the correct direction, or am I out by 45 degrees?
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2019
     
    OMG Quenten! This is a fantastic map. I agree with Scott, I think it's your best city map to date. You have truly become our master of city maps!
    • CommentAuthorJMunsonII
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2019
     
    Love those location titles - great compliment to the map! :D
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2019
     
    The compass on the two city maps aren't pointing in the same direction.

    I have no idea which one is correct.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2019
     
    The compass should be pointing north in the direction that makes the river coincide with the one shown on the area map.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2019
     
    I have now turned in the map to Monsen for the Atlas.

    And guess what: The new 2 month Lite challenge at the Cartographers' guild is making a city - yeah. i have nearly finished Nesvines, and am about 2-3 weeks from finishing Dun Fingolfin, so I am getting started now on a new city. I think I might use a modern style, or else a ruined city. I'll think about it over the net few days - and all suggestions welcome. it also will go in the Atlas of course, (and my world Myirandios, as per usual).

    Here is the task:
    "So the Challenge is to Map a City or Large Town, it could be ancient , Medieval or modern , a City or a Metropolis, isometric, bidimensional or tridimensional ...
    Have a story background explaining how and why it was founded or evolved and feature some monuments in it ...
    Any size, any setting, any race or culture. It might be a small elven tree city in a fantasy world or a large Klingon settlement on a distant moon."

    It would be great if some others from here also entered - making a city for the competition, the atlas and your own campaigns all for the price of one. and it would keep me company.
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    Fantastic map, Quenten! City maps are my bane - I just can't seem to get one that I like. But you... wow! This is great!
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2019
     
    City of Briarwood is now in the atlas. Thanks for contributing.

    Briarwood
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2019
     
    Ok. So i JUST saw this map. I was in the Atlas, perusing around when i came across this and just laughed out loud. The names......the names, hahahhaaa. Thank you Q for letting us all live on in venerated named locations in this lovely city!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2019
     
    What on Earth are you on about - I got these names from a naming Generator.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2019
     
    Oh, okay Quenten.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2019
     
    A cemetery? Nice, I love those. :D