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    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019 edited
     
    As with the sister thread to this one called "Texture developments", this will be a thread where I roll ideas about new symbols around for comment.

    first up - a mountain style I've been wanting to try for a while. The linework is atrocious, so this is only a concept drawing.

    If you saw a set of mountains like this one (but better drawn) along with matching fills and symbols, would you be interested?

    M 01.jpg
    • CommentAuthorLadieStorm
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    absolutely!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Yes, and you, as usual, denigrate yourself too much. I like your line drawing - what do you dislike about it?
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Thank you, both! :)

    Quenten - The linework is very rough compared to my pen on paper work. I can just about control where it goes despite drawing on a black slab on the desk while staring at the screen, but I can't seem to control the pressure (= line width) very well. It's incredibly sensitive, and my old hands are not such fine instruments as they once were!

    This file is already 3.5GB while open in Krita, so you can see why I could never do it before now on the cripple (recently deceased) 4GB RAM laptop. Hence the lack of practice.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Posted By: LoopysueIf you saw a set of mountains like this one (but better drawn) along with matching fills and symbols, would you be interested?
    You do realize that just about anything you can come up with will be of interest to at least a subset of the members here, right? There is no such thing as enough art, and with your talent, there will always be a nice big chunk of people that will love it (and as with everything in life, you can't please everyone, so you can safely ignore anyone who don't)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Aw, thank you Remy! :)

    I do listen to what people say, though.

    I've done a different version of the same by hiding the colour layer. I wonder which one will be more popular?
      M 01 and 02.jpg
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    And I think I'm beginning to get the hang of this paintbrush thing I'm using! The second one looks a lot better line-wise to me.
    • CommentAuthorseycyrus
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    The fine nuances that seem to be glaringly obvious to you are unnoticeable to me.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Thank you, seycyrus :)

    I'm looking at them again and thinking I also did the shading better on the second one. Maybe that has the knock-on effect of making me feel happier with the linework there as well ;)
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    I like it. It looks like the mountains my imagination filled out when I was out on the ocean reading LotR.

    Would be very interested.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Thank you, Jim :) It might be a while. I've just spent the last hour erasing the shading on the third mountain, which I accidentally drew on the same layer as the inking! Argh! LOL!
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      CommentAuthorMedio
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Hard to check what is transparency and what has texture, but the effect is awesome. Just would like to see that mountain on a green background, for example.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Eventually, Medio. I need to crack on with drawing the rest of the set the same way, or they won't match with each other. My style is very flexible. It means I can do all kinds of really different stuff, but on the other hand if I stop and try to continue tomorrow morning I probably won't be able to match the new mountains with the ones I did the day before. So its a race I can't leave off to experiment with stuff like that right now.

    So far I've drawn 18, and shaded the first 6. I mean to finish shading the other 12 before I stop. That way at least 18 of them will look like they belong with each other.
      Mountains prog.jpg
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      CommentAuthorMedio
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    That pic is awesome! :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2019
     
    Thanks :)

    That's a 12,000 pixel square image divided into 36 x 2000x2000 pixel squares - each to hold a mountain. I'm hoping that if I draw that many I will have enough to pick the best for a set and leave out any lame ones. This kind of project has only become possible in the last few days that I've had my new PC. It would just have been impossible to do them all at once in 36 individual files on the old laptop - not and maintain a consistent style throughout.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    I just love the monochrome version of the symbols (colour is great too, but these are my favorite), but I'm wondering: are they semi-transparent? The problem with transparent or semi-transparent symbols in CC3+ is always that it's hard to layer them properly. Sorry, already thinking about a symbol catalog/style of these. :D
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    Posted By: RalfI just love the monochrome version of the symbols (colour is great too, but these are my favorite), but I'm wondering: are they semi-transparent? The problem with transparent or semi-transparent symbols in CC3+ is always that it's hard to layer them properly. Sorry, already thinking about a symbol catalog/style of these. :D


    Aw thanks, Ralf :)

    At the moment they are just lines and shading on a parchment background. I was intending to merge them with the parchment background and then cut sharp around the outline on top and fade it out at the base to use on the same background, or give them a white background (the monochrome style) similar to the existing black and white styles, so that they work the same way by blocking things behind them. I can do it differently if you would prefer - or several different ways so you could pick the style(s) you like best?

    I was intending to start with the mountains, then add hills, trees, settlement symbols and fills etc, but I could diversify the mountain style first and then develop the rest of the set for each of the more popular ones.

    There is no reason why I couldn't do two or three related styles.

    The parchment background is a newly created version I did in GIMP now that I have the power to make really big images. Its currently 12,000 pixels square and doesn't tile, but I could make it tile at 3000 pixels square if you would like that as well - like the Beaumaris one.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019 edited
     
    Ok so - the transparency having been mentioned a couple of times here and over on the FB page, I've done a few samples just to show how limitless the possibilities really are.

    So far you've seen transparent with a parchment background. Now I've tried a bit more detail and colouring in that detail, then changing the 'blend mode' of the newly coloured in layer between things like Overlay, Gamma Dark, and Grain Extract/Merge. This is a small part of a single mountain, but it should give a better idea.

    Op 1.jpg
    Op 2.jpg
    Op 3.jpg
    Op 4.jpg

    All these things can be changed by a single click to change the layer Blend Mode. It depends what you want, really :)
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    These are wonderful. and I love the idea - do you mean the Sheet Blend Mode?
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    Thank you, Quenten :)

    This is Krita, so its layers, not sheets, but Krita layers (and most image editors like it, including PS) have blend modes. You can set a layer to any blend mode you like. Where comparisons with CC3 can be drawn - yes, Krita layers are equivalent to CC3 sheets, such that you can imagine the linework drawn on one sheet, the shading on another, the background on a third, and the colours on a fourth :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    And here is the first proto-mountain symbol (minus the level of detail - just quickly filled in) alongside a couple of Schley mountains for comparison.

    Its incredibly bad at the moment because its less than half done, and the transparent fringe needs to extend further beyond the ends of the lines, or the lines need trimming back. About the only thing that's right is the overall size. I intended them to be about the size of the larger mountains in the Schley set, which I used as a benchmark for the basic specs.
      Fred.JPG
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    The one on the left gives a ruggedness look like it was new, just formed, from the continental crust.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    That's the half finished one of mine, Jim ;)

    I don't think mine are going to mix with Schley's all that easily unless I warp it more towards his style somehow.

    The question is - to warp, or not to warp...
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    Stick with making what you want to make. You seem to be making a full set of these anyway, no need to emulate existing styles.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    This is true.

    As you can see there are fills as well. I expect that I will eventually do the whole thing - right down to the sea monsters :)
    • CommentAuthorGrimmric
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    I would love to have a full set of these mountains!
    They are so rugged and nice, and i can see how the maps would look like with those.
    I'm looking forward to the first mountain that you feel hits the spot, with all the details you want.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    Thanks Grimmric :)

    There are no hard and fast decisions just yet. Ralf like the B/W ones, others like the brightly coloured ones, and there are lots of different ideas buzzing around my head at the moment.

    Meanwhile, I've just managed to crash the file! LOL!

    No idea how that happened. It was only using 4GB of 32. Hmmmm. Maybe this is a limitation caused by Krita, and not my brand new sporty hardware.
    • CommentAuthorGrimmric
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    No rush Loopysue
    Just as other people has said before me.
    Do it in your own time and as you want it to be.
    It is always better for the finished product. :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    Very true, Grimmric.

    I'm hoping to finish the mountains and hills over the next month. The rest may take longer. I have a course I have to attend for the next few months, but I will post the major milestone events in this thread as they happen.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2019
     
    LOL!

    This is quite a muddle. The shading is wrong, and I need to keep the thicker ink lines to the profile on each one, but mountain ranges have never happened overnight.
      Fred2.JPG
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTime7 days ago
     
    Posted By: LoopysueThat's the half finished one of mine, Jim ;)

    I don't think mine are going to mix with Schley's all that easily unless I warp it more towards his style somehow.

    The question is - to warp, or not to warp...


    What I mean is it looks freshly made, like a geat wizard decided to raise amountain up and build a fortress in it. It looks like a new mountain, before erosion started.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime7 days ago
     
    I especially look forward to the sea monsters - the Corbyn Catfish, the Mayfly Blather, the Boris Bloater and the Farage Folly for a start. I can even supply descriptions of the Dreaded great Southland terrors.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime6 days ago
     
    Jim - like the Andes? They are some of the most striking and the youngest mountain range on Earth, but even they are not as sharp and pointy as my fantasy mountains :)

    Quenten - Ummmm. I think you might have to provide descriptions for most of those! I've never heard of them.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime6 days ago
     
    They are as sharp as that in New Zealand - almost like a knife there.
    So dreadfully upset you haven't any idea about those well known monsters - they inhabit the seas surrounding a little island between Europe and Erinn
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime6 days ago
     
    I know about the kelpies if that helps :D
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime4 days ago
     
    Another new version.

    Again - its a draft, so its not exactly finished all that well, but it serves its purpose as a test. I rather like the overall effect, and will probably keep this as one of the styles.
      tex mountains.jpg
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    Posted By: LoopysueJim - like the Andes? They are some of the most striking and the youngest mountain range on Earth, but even they are not as sharp and pointy as my fantasy mountains :)

    Quenten - Ummmm. I think you might have to provide descriptions for most of those! I've never heard of them.


    More like they just reached their final forms, before erosion sets in. I find it interesting and would love to use them on a map.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited
     
    Hmmm...

    Then I don't know if you will really like the style I've settled on as the first set. It feels more rounded than before.

    This is how I used to draw things at art college - 35 years ago. Now I'm really starting to enjoy the task because its more instinctive for me to draw like this, but it might not be to everyone's taste.

    This is just a very tiny part of one mountain blown up so you can see it. The second image is zoomed out enough to show the Schley symbol I placed next to the mountain I'm working on - to give a better idea of the relative scale of things.

    Zoom 1.jpg

    Zoom 2.jpg
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTime18 hours ago
     
    Looks nice and craggy. I can use that.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTime17 hours ago
     
    :D

    That's good then :D