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    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2018 edited
     
    Since all of the continents are now complete, it is time to start the CC3+ version of the world map. I am tasked with the challenge of translating everyone's beautiful continental maps into an official version of the world.

    Since we want anyone with the core CC3+ software to be able to use the map, I have made the choice to create it in the original CC3 style. I expect this to be a long term project. I'm really hoping that as the map progresses that I can get input form the community, especially from those who originally created the continents.

    So far I have two continents with their updated coastlines.
      Nibirum - World Map.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2018
     
    Wow that's some task! Looking forward to watching your progress
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2018
     
    That's going to be one big headache with all the different projections to take into account!

    Something to get your teeth into, though. Great project - and I know you'll make it totally beautiful :)
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2018
     
    Thanks Lorelei and Sue! I know that I can always count on you girls to be my cheering section. :D

    Posted By: LoopysueThat's going to be one big headache with all the different projections to take into account!


    Yes! I know that I'll be pulling my hair out over several of the continents. :D It's going to be getting the details like mountains and forests in the correct positions and proportions that will be the trickiest.
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2018
     
    Yes, a monumental project, but one which I think will be beautiful when finished...
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2018
     
    This is still very much a work in progress. I am currently working on a few of the continents and have also started laying in the mountain backgrounds and rivers on the continents that I have finished. My goal with this is to have everything match the continents that have been added to the atlas.

    Nothing here is final yet so if at any point you have comments and suggestions, I'm open to ideas. I've mapped continents before but this is my first world scale map. I'm not sure if I will use symbols or just textures. I will have to experiment with both.
      Nibirum - World Map.PNG
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2018
     
    I wonder if you could put 12.5 degree latitude (the tropical zones). And showing 30 and 60 degree, is more logical since they correspond with the Hadley cells, which determine weather and climate zones (like placement of deserts, jungles and taiga/tundra) and also the arctic zone - perhaps higher than 75 degrees due to the issues raised by Wyvern (I think).. Though having said all that. perhaps you have important reasons for the 25 and 65 degrees rather than 30 and 60 degrees, which in the end are still rather close.
    But what a mammoth and wonderful task you are undertaking. I 'dips me lid' as they say in Oz.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018
     
    Thanks for the input Quenten.

    I initially had 30 and 60 degrees on the map but after studying the work that Wyvern did on the star charts, I saw that he had 25 and 65 degrees as the equivalent placement of the arctic/antarctic circle and the tropic of cancer/capricorn. Since everyone has already determined location of deserts and such I thought including the solar latitudes would be more beneficial for determining climate,vegetation, etc when doing regional maps. Do you think I should include both? As I've said, I am open to any and all suggestions on this.
    • CommentAuthorGThiel
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018
     
    You might also consider adding the two Tropic," the northern-most and southern-most latitudes where the sun can be seen directly overhead; see the Tropics of Cancer ( 23.43689° north of the equator) and Capricorn (23.43689° south of the equator). I don't know what the axial tilt of Nibirium is as that would have a major effect on the climate in the more northerly and southerly regions as well as hours of light and darkness.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018
     
    I have a feeling its slightly different on Nibirum. I can't quite remember all the details, but Wyvern worked it all out really carefully in a post a few weeks ago (which to my shame I can't seem to find!)
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018
     
    I effectively set Nibirum's axial tilt as 25° when I designed what became the "official" Atlas' star charts, by setting Nibirum's ecliptic as angled at 25° to its equator. That's sufficiently similar to Earth's not to create major differences, but by keeping to a simpler value than Earth's circa 23½° tilt, hopefully it makes life a bit easier for GMs to work with.

    Consequently, as Shessar already said, the two Nibirran Tropics, and thus the tropical zones, are shown by the 25°N and S latitude lines now, along with the midnight sun = arctic/antarctic circle latitude lines at 65°N and S.

    Given these lines are only 5° different to the Hadley and Ferrel cell boundaries for Earth, at roughly 30° and 60°N and S latitude, and that the cell boundaries aren't firmly fixed anyway (they also vary through the year; the commonly-cited 30° and 60° values apply chiefly near the equinoxes, theoretically), this perhaps isn't too key a point. And again as Shessar noted, since the major climate regions/vegetation regimes have been emplaced by the continental-scale maps prepared earlier, these atmospheric-circulation cell-locations aren't perhaps nearly as important now as they might have been otherwise.

    However, it may be useful to provide a separate Sheet for the map with 10° latitude circle lines across the whole planet for anyone needing greater clarity on this and other points, along with another Sheet showing the currently-illustrated equator and solar lines. Users would then have the option to use one or both sets of information, or indeed neither.

    To amplify Loopysue's point, the two main topics regarding Nibirum's star charts and the planet's solar lines and polar geomagnetics are here (Star Charts) and here (Solar System). For the latter items, scroll down to my April 7th posting on the second linked topic here.

    Liking the look of the map so far, by the way!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018 edited
     
    I think it is a pity that so much is in the tropical zone, where it was not conceived as such by the original mappers. So not sure how to account for Nibirum's climate biomes as charted.
      Earth_Global_Circulation.jpg
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018
     
    Posted By: QuentenI think it is a pity that so much is in the tropical zone, where it was not conceived as such by the original mappers. So not sure how to account for Nibirum's climate biomes as charted.
      Earth_Global_Circulation.jpg


    It's true that most of this wasn't taken into account with the original continent maps, but here we are all the same. I think I'll take Wyvern's suggestion for including a sheet of every 10 degrees for those who would want it as well as the current tropic and arctic latitudes.

    Keep your thoughts flowing Quenten. I want to make sure that I don't do anything that is completely wrong, while at the same time being casual enough to not worry about any discrepancies caused by having so many hands in the cooking pot. :)
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2018
     
    Not sure I'm following the "so much is in the tropical zone" argument here, given that Nibirum's tropics extend all of 1½° further from the equator than do Earth's, so are essentially all-but identical. That seems indeed to have been the pattern most of the continental mappers followed when drawing the various terrain types onto the surface of Nibirum, where anything specific was defined at least. Don't recall any attempt to map Nibirum's climate biomes as yet though, beyond those general "similar to Earth" choices.

    Of course, this general patterning for Nibirum influenced my decision to go with an Earth-like similarity when determining the angle of the ecliptic, and the various facets that follow from that choice.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2019
     
    Well, after what turned out to be an extended adventure in renovating a house that I inherited, I am back. The house had several over price offers after only two days on the market so I know that my efforts have paid off. Now, I will again have time to spend on mapping for the community atlas.

    I have managed to get all but one of the continents laid in with mountains and rivers. The last, Alarius, will be the most challenging because it spans from the arctic circle to the equator and when flattened out, the distortion over that distance is pretty extreme. This will take me a bit of time to do. :)
      Nibirum - World Map.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2019
     
    My goodness! And you've even stretched the mountains and the rivers in the extreme latitudes to match the projection :)
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2019
     
    What an amazing project. The definitive Nibirum map
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2019
     
    Thanks Quenten and Sue! Translating everyone's continent back into a world map is a challenge but it will represent the world better than the original FT3 map that we started with. Doing this was Remy's idea and I think it's a worthwhile project, I just hope that I can make a map that captures everyone's efforts all in one map. I think once I know where the mountains and rivers are the other details will be a bit easier to add.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2019
     
    Looking great so far. Looking forward to get this as the "front map" on the atlas rather than the FT3 export (The FT3 export is nice and all, but this is a truer representation of the atlas work)

    I think handling things as we did, i.e. starting with the continent maps (loosely based on the FT3 map) and then backporting those to a world map worked out great. Allowed the individual mappers a bit more freedom to define "their" continent while at the same time providing a common framework, and when this map is done, we have a world map that represents those continents.
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2019
     
    This is indeed looking excellent, though having mapped a little bit of northern Alarius (so able to ignore largely the problems of the whole-continent projection), I can quite appreciate the challenges ahead.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2019
     
    Sincere apologies that it has taken me so long to get back to mapping this.

    I now have the most difficult parts done. The next phase I'll be working on is the terrain details and after that the forests. Here's what I have so far...
      Nibirum - World Map.JPG
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2019
     
    Looking great. Can't wait till you get this done and I can replace the world map with a proper map.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2019
     
    I get a headache when I think of just how much work that must have been!

    Wonderful work, Shessar :)
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2019
     
    oh this is going to look so nice on the front page of the Atlas!!
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2019 edited
     
    Thanks, glad you like it so far.

    I've decidied to do one continent at a time. I've also been experimenting with the mountains a bit.

    Here's Berenur. I'm still undecided which shade of green I like best for the forest.
      Nibirum - World Map2.JPG
      Berenur- World Map.JPG
      Nibirum - Berenur.JPG
    • CommentAuthorScottA
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2019
     
    Lovely! I'm rather partial to the darker green forest in the top example, myself.
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2019
     
    Agreed, the darker green is my vote
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2019
     
    I concur. But honestly, it is a bit difficult to give a final decision before I can see the entire map with the forests on the other continents as well. Might well be that the lighter looks best in the end if there is a lot of dark woods on the other continents.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2019
     
    Fantastic !
    • CommentAuthorSkidAce
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2019
     
    Use the lighter green for tropical jungles, darker elsewhere.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2019
     
    Use both, depending on climate :)
    • CommentAuthorpvernon
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2019
     
    I agree with Monsen's comments.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2019 edited
     
    Thanks for the input! Since this is just an adjustment to the hue/saturation effect it will be easy to decide once the map is finished. I like Sue's idea of using climate as a determining factor but since I'm trying to use the developed continents as my guide, I don't feel like I have free reign to change things.

    I finished Kentoria. I probably won't post again until I get a few more continents done. I'm a slow mapper, so it will take me a few days each to finish the bigger continents. :D
      Kentoria.JPG
      Nibirum - World Map3.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2019
     
    :O

    Wow :D
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2019
     
    Looks fabulous. I like the suggestion of lighter for jungles, darker for temperate/deciduous, and v dark for taiga/coniferous
    • CommentAuthorFarsightX3
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2019
     
    Hi Shessar! Long time no post :P

    Looking forward to your work on this one :) Great job so far!
    • CommentAuthorRikou
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2019
     
    how did you draw these kind of Mountains? they look amazing!
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2019
     
    Fantastic !
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    I've had a lot of trouble with this map because of the number of nodes. I've simplified the continents and the rivers so that I can work on the map now, but I'll confess that I'm just not happy with how it is turning out. World maps have never been a strong point for me and I'm wondering if there is someone better suited to do this map. Here is what I have so far. Thoughts?
      World Import.JPG
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    It looks wonderful, Shessar :)

    You have a really difficult project to deal with by having to stick to what the continent maps already show, but now that the mountains and rivers and quite a lot of the forests are already there, there's not much else to do but the major cities (which can be spots at this scale), and that's it. The map is mostly done already.

    The ocean is a bit dark. Maybe if you lighten/darken it a little... or somehow alter the contrast between the land and the sea, it might appeal to you a little more if you are still unhappy with it?
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    So far, I think you are doing a splendid job.

    World maps are always tricky, because there is always the issue related to how much details you should really add.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    Posted By: Loopysuethere's not much else to do but the major cities (which can be spots at this scale)
    I am not sure the cities need to be there at all, that can safely be left to the continent maps.
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    You're probably right, Remy. Like you say - the level of detail required on a world map is always debatable. Since most people would be printing this on a piece of A4, cities would probably make it look cluttered.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    Thanks. I think I've looked at this too long and have begun to doubt myself. If you two think that it looks okay, then I'll trust that it does. :D

    I wasn't planning on adding cities and was going to remove some of the smaller rivers especially on the large central continent. I also agree that the ocean is currently too dark but it is just a placeholder and will need its own contours.

    After taking a break, then having computer problems, then taking another break, I think that I'm ready to move forward with this map. Onward!!!
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    Stick an HSL on it for now so it doesn't detract from the way you feel about the map. Maybe a change of background in any direction might make it feel fresher if you've been staring at that particular blue all this time.
    • CommentAuthorShessar
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    That's not a bad idea Sue. I really do need to do something to give me a new perspective on it. Thanks for your insight. I'm really open to any and all suggestion for this map. :)
    • CommentAuthorLoopysue
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019 edited
     
    It is a very intense blue - more powerful colour than any of the land. You might find that simply reducing the saturation might help quite a lot (that's a positive number in the saturation box: 10, 20, 30... maybe even 40 points).
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    Reducing the number of minor rivers seems right to me, as well as using a paler blue for the oceans. The mountains on Alarius (top left continent) seem much more substantial than those elsewhere, which I think may be down to the number of smaller rivers cutting through the other mountains at present. Maybe the rivers should be paler too, as the contrast doesn't seem that great to me currently (that may be just me though).

    It's still looking hugely impressive as a map overall though!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2019
     
    Keep with this map, Shessar - it looks fabulous. I also think you should not show the cities, since we have no idea really where they all are, nor their size.
    I did a map of Nibirum in mercator style, which also hinted at some sea contours and names. It is in the atlas, if that helps.
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    Hello Shessar,
    is it possible to get the rivers from you so that I can try to combine them with the topographical height map of Nibirum that I posted some days ago?
    My rivers follow the topography that I got when following Sue's instructions from the latest Annual.
    But those rivers do of course not coincidence with the rivers that the community already uses.
    It would therefore be great if I could use your rivers...so that even my map can be consistent to all the other maps.
    It will surely be tricky to combine the topography with your rivers but I could give it a try...
    /André