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    • CommentAuthorGuthrum
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2017
     
    First of all, I'm not sure if I am posting this in the right place so I'll apologise to admin in advance if so.

    What brings me here is a quest to find certain maps that I now believe for various reasons were produced on CC2 city designer. At present I am in the process of running a D&D 5E conversion of the original Temple of Elemental Evil, in its original back ground in Greyhawk, and at the moment I’m addressing the need for the background of the city and state of Verbobonc. I’ve have found an excellent key for the city, although it is set about a decade later than the events of ToEE, by some one called Banesfinger. The only problem is maps.

    From what I have ascertained Banesfinger did a general overview map and more detailed district maps in around 2002/3 using CC" City Designer. All I have managed to find out there in the ether is a very low resolution copy of the general overview map; it’s that bad I can’t even read any of the writing on it. See the attachment below.

    Can anyone help and point me in the direction of a decent copy of these maps.

    Finally; even if I don't find these maps this search has had the positive result of leading me to CC and I will be picking up a copy next pay day, well impressed :D
      Banes finger orginal.png
    • CommentAuthorBarliman
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2017
     
    I can't help you with your quest, but your post has me wondering what else is buried in the archives here.

    And welcome to CC!
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2017
     
    Hi Guthrum; Welcome on-board!

    I'm not sure if you're only looking for the CC2 version of the Verbobonc map done by Banesfinger, or any map of the city you could use to base a CC3+ version upon. I did find a couple of maps of the city online is all, but not CC-ready ones. There's a rather nice hand-drawn map here by Scott Sime, and another here by Russell Akred (both are JPGs, but interestingly the city looks different in each version). I also found this really attractive 3D line drawing of the city.

    However, like you, I've had no luck tracing the CC2 version online. What I'd suggest is you might try contacting Banesfinger directly through the Forum on the EN World website here, because according to Post #16 on this EN World Forum topic the CC2 map had been posted to "the website" on 7th April 2003. Unfortunately, there's no link, nor an indication as to whether this meant the EN World website (couldn't find it among their various resources or downloads still, if so), or the lost one where the other maps were originally hosted (which doesn't even survive on the archived pages preserved via WaybackMachine, as I suspect you've already discovered!). While you'll probably need to join the EN World site to ask, Banesfinger was noted as being still currently active on the site at least.

    Hope this lot helps!
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2017
     
    You may try asking over at the mailing list. Not much activity there these days, but some of the old guys form the CC2 days are still subscribed, maybe one of them happen to know about that map.
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    Hi

    I have all the original Greyhawk material produced by TSR and, while I can't help you find any CC2 maps, I can provide you with some of the originals that you could use as a starting point for making your own maps.

    Here's the only map of Verbobonc produced by TSR. It was printed in module WG8: Fate of Istus. The entry in the module gives an overview of the city, but encourages DM's to develop it for themselves.
      Verbobonc.jpg
  2.  
    If you do decide to buy CC3+ you won't be disappointed. Here's a conversion of the overland map "From Hommlet to Nulb" that I created in about 45 mins, using the Cartographer's Annual issue 104 - Local Area Maps, and the original for comparison. Hope that helps, and good luck in your quest!!
      From Hommlet to Nulb.jpg
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    And the original...
      Hommlet to Nulb.jpg
    • CommentAuthorBarliman
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2017
     
    Wow, nice work with the conversion, and great use of the Local Area style!
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      CommentAuthorDogtag
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2017
     
    What a great recreation of the official map, and beautiful use of the Annual style. The fact that you did it in less than an hour makes it even more impressive! *is humbled*

    Cheers,
    ~Dogtag
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      CommentAuthorDogtag
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2017
     
    @Barliman: ha ha!
    • CommentAuthorGuthrum
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2017
     
    Many thanks every one and I have gone ahead and bought the basic bundle. Looks like I'm going to have to recreate the maps I want of Verbobonc city and state which although a bit inconvenient time wise look like it will be fun.

    Dungeon Master Gaz love the style of the wilderness map.
  4.  
    Thanks For the compliments, guys. The Local Area style is really easy to use. Unfortunately, not all my maps can be completed in such a short time!
    • CommentAuthorTopdecker
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2017
     
    I really, really like the updated version! That it only took you 45 minutes is awesome - it is exactly what CC3+ is supposed to do for us.

    Awesomeness acknowledged, I think that the use of the dashed line vs solid line for the roads was to illustrate that the High Road had partially fallen into disrepair, probably due to all the trouble along the road. This is the only niggling thing that I could see - otherwise it is a massive improvement on every level.

    Tim
    • CommentAuthorBarliman
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2017
     
    Posted By: Dogtag@Barliman: ha ha!


    Jinx! ;-)
    • CommentAuthorpool7
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2017
     
    A quick google search turned out this file; hope it is what you're looking for:
    http://zansforcans.net/archive/Miscellaneous/Verbobonc.zip
    • CommentAuthorGuthrum
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2017
     
    Pool7 many many thanks been looking for it for weeks. :D
    • CommentAuthorthehawk
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2017
     
    Because talk of maps of Greyhawk often leads to talks of where did that river come from.. Or go..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_streams_of_Idaho
    https://www.fs.fed.us/visit/destination/multnomah-falls