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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2017
     
    Here is the beginning of the immediate environs of Spiros Monastery. Much to be done even at this level. Please feel free with advice etc.
      Spiros Monastery.JPG
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2017
     
    Nice design. And very nice work with the lighted bevel effect. You used exactly the right edge fade effect.

    If you wanted the hills to look less edgy, there would be two options to make them a bit smoother. The first one would be to choose a higher smoothing value on the lighted bevel effect itself. Another option, which i especially use on hills to make their top look rounder, is to add another sheet of the same fill ontop of the lighted bevel sheet (that just covers the area around the peaks) then add a rather strong edge fade inner effect. This way the peak is covered, giving a rounder look but the slopes are still nicely visible. I have used this technique on the Burial Mound on the Vyrn city map, if you wanted to see an example for this.

    If you wanted some critisism, I would probably exchange the fill of the road with the one you use for the piers on the Helinesa Map. But that's just my preference, because I never got along with this stone fill.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2017
     
    I had intended to change the road fill - I thought along similar lines to you. As far as the sharp edge goes, it will be the top of a cliff - yet to put in the lines indicating the cliff - something like I did with Ravenscrag Castle - see below. (But a bit more sophisticated)
      Ravenscrag_Ground Floor-1.png
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2017 edited
     
    Oh, I see. Very nice castle.

    If you want to do the cliff using the lighted bevel effect, you could change the fill of the hills into a rocky one, then use another sheet with a grass fill to cover up the places you don't want to be rocky. Another possibility is the use of a slightly transparent rocky sheet ontop of the lighted bevel sheet. This method is the one I used on the Vyrn map. It is simpler but it does not preserve the lighted bevel effect as well as the other method would.
    • CommentAuthorRoyalWolf
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2017
     
    whoa! very nice castle! love how you put that together
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2017
     
    With lots of time and patience and a grinding and gnashing of teeth!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime3 days ago
     
    Here is an update on the Monastery environs. All buildings placed. Mainly natural features (cliifs, waterfalls, beach, rocks and trees) to fix. Then labelling, and I'm finished yet anothe Community map - isn't it growing quickly!
      Spiros Monastery2.JPG
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Looks very nice! Great job, Quenten.
    I especially like the cathedral building, although I probably would put it on a separate sheet and increase the length of the wall shade a bit. How did you do it?

    I noticed that the scale bar seems to be a bit odd compared to the size of the buildings. According to the bar the buildings would be huge.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Thanks Hadrian. The scale bar is going to be changed. I have done more work on the monastery proper, and the terrain. More work on waterfall and coastal areas (rocks, beach etc), and a steeple on the basilica. Still, here is my latest update. I really appreciate the critique - it helps a lot.
      Spiros Monastery1.JPG
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    This looks great. I like the legend.

    Since you use a top down view, I'd probably exchange the trees as well. You don't have to use symbols. A circle fractial drawtool with a green fill (maybe HW Jungle) and some sheet effects could do the job instead of symbols, if you did not find any fitting symbols in the basic CC package. With the cows it is more complicated. Maybe you could just use the cows as an Icon?
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Advice received, but at this stage, I am inclined to leave them as they are. What are your comments on the cliff - would appreciate advice here.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Next update - only monastery gardens to go, unless I get advice to contrary
      Spiros Monastery12.JPG
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Here it is, the final product before turning it in to Monsen. Please feel free with advice here - I will leave it up for 24 hrs. Map Notes underway.
      Spiros Monastery13.JPG
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      CommentAuthorDogtag
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Looks good. You might consider reversing the shadows on the vertical (N-S) gray roofs to match the shadows of the other buildings and the towers. Also, maybe consider a road or path to/from the dock?

    I agree with Hadrian, the basilica is neat, and the legend is nicely worked in as well.

    Cheers,
    ~Dogtag
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    You are right of course about the shadows; consider it done. I'll do tracks from the cave entrance to the docks; thanks for the suggestion
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Sorry, I hadn't seen your post before going to bed. It was already around 4am and I really needed to get at least some sleep.

    Yeah, the comment about the trees came a bit late. I did not mention it earlier, because you said you still wanted to work on the trees.

    Regarding the cliff: It is very beautiful and well executed. Theres only little room for improvement. One thing that could be added is a bit of shading. Create a new drawing style with a gray solid 30 or 40 fill and put it on a separate sheet. Then use it on the parts that do not face the global sun direction (below monastery and on the right side at the map border). You can also use it to further emphasize the structure of the cliffs if you want. For effects I'd recommend an edge fade,inner (i wouldn't use blur, because it blurs everything beneat it) with maybe some transparency, if the shades appear to be too strong.
    Also, the texture of the cliff is a bit strong in my opinion. The cliff does look good as it is, but I think it would loom even better, if the texture was more subtle.

    Anyway, it is a great map.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Thanks Hadrian, I will certainly add that to the list
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    You're welcome.:) BTW, I forgot to mention: great job with the waterfall! It is really, really well done.
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    I love everything about this EXCEPT the cliff texture. But really, that's a personal preference. I dislike this and the stone texture in this fill set and never use them myself. but again, that's only my own feelings on the fills. Aside from that, i love it. And will use this, for sure within my own campaign - but as i did with the awesome Inn you did, i'll make whatever changes i need to personalize it! Thanks for another great contribution!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    The cliff texture is about to be modified, as per Hadrian's suggestions. Hope it will seem better. I actually like the stone fill used - so I have to respectively differ here.
    • CommentAuthorWyvern
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    Gosh, so much of this has appeared and been commented upon already, since I last visited only yesterday!

    Looking great, and I'm intrigued to see what the cliffs will look like once updated, and with the promised dock path in place.

    Comparing it with the Spiros Isle map in the Atlas, I have the impression there might be a few wild goats towards the northern edge of this map (though they may be just a bit too far north).

    The denser trees look interesting, as if they've been deliberately planted in rows; no doubt the Notes will say more as to why!

    My only real thought for a possible change is the Abattoir seems a little close to the habitations just now. You never want to be downwind of an abattoir, I have to say!
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime2 days ago
     
    The wind mainly comes from the shore, so generally it is not downwind. And itis not that close - it is about 50 metres (over 150') away from closest habitations. But will move it further north. There are goats in the pens in the SE, and the wild goats are further north. The row of dense trees are apple and pear orchards. All the other changes will be finished by tonight (my time in Australia) and then put on the page for one last perusal. Thanks so much for everyone's contribution - this has become a real community map.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited
     
    Here is what I hope is the final product. I have added shading to the cliffs and fixed the texture a bit, fixed the direction of the light roofs on the basilica, added a path (and rowboat) to the docks, and finally moved that stinking abattoir further away - phew! Thanks to all for all your suggestions.
      Spiros Monastery Environs.JPG
    • CommentAuthorHadrianVI
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    Looks beautiful. Great job with the shades. It's really well executed.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    Thanks for your praise and encouragement, Hadrian, The Community Atlas Mappers are forming a very helpful and positive group, I think.
    • CommentAuthorLorelei
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    Excellent shading! That cliff looks fantastic!!! (even with my dreaded fill. lol.) Really nice work here, Quenten.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    Thanks Lorelei - any interest in doing an Inn or hostel on one of my Spiros Island maps? Your work is so outstanding.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    I have emailed the fcw and map notes to Monsen. Wait for the next thrilling installment of the 'Monks of Holy(?) Spiros'.
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      CommentAuthorQuenten
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    Monsen has just informed me that both the Monastery environs Map, and the Dworn map in Berenur are now in the Atlas - 32 maps so far.