Cartographer's Annual Vol. 8 - Compatibility issue with CC3+
I just bought the Cartographer's Annual Vol. 8 and wanted to add it to my CC3+ and SS4
I did that more or less solely to get the advertised October 14 Annual which states:
"Dwarven Dungeon artwork by TJ Vandel (aka Schwarzkreuz) works as its own drawing style, but is also designed to function as an extension to Symbol Set 4 – Dungeons of Schley."
"Man, I love Mike Schleys style and I would love to see more symbols for that!" I thought and out came the credit card.
Well sadly it DOES NOT, because I can't install the annual since it does not seem to be CC3+ compatible! Not awesome.
So did I just blast 35€ through the chimney for absolutely nothing? Seems so.
My two questions:
a) Is there a way to get the Dwarven Dungeon artwork into CC3+/SS4 manually?
b) If not, is there a ETA when it will be made compatible wit CC3+ (if ever)?
disclaimer: "Use the annual in CC3! (without the plus)" is not an option, so keep that advise to yourself.
I hope there is a way to get this working, else I have to check the refund policy. (edit: just saw the 14 day money back guarantee. So at least that seems settled if all else fails)
Finally a tip for the good people at ProFantasy: How about you mark your products compatibility nice and big, right there on their respective product pages? Would save customers a lot hassle...
cheers
I did that more or less solely to get the advertised October 14 Annual which states:
"Dwarven Dungeon artwork by TJ Vandel (aka Schwarzkreuz) works as its own drawing style, but is also designed to function as an extension to Symbol Set 4 – Dungeons of Schley."
"Man, I love Mike Schleys style and I would love to see more symbols for that!" I thought and out came the credit card.
Well sadly it DOES NOT, because I can't install the annual since it does not seem to be CC3+ compatible! Not awesome.
So did I just blast 35€ through the chimney for absolutely nothing? Seems so.
My two questions:
a) Is there a way to get the Dwarven Dungeon artwork into CC3+/SS4 manually?
b) If not, is there a ETA when it will be made compatible wit CC3+ (if ever)?
disclaimer: "Use the annual in CC3! (without the plus)" is not an option, so keep that advise to yourself.
I hope there is a way to get this working, else I have to check the refund policy. (edit: just saw the 14 day money back guarantee. So at least that seems settled if all else fails)
Finally a tip for the good people at ProFantasy: How about you mark your products compatibility nice and big, right there on their respective product pages? Would save customers a lot hassle...
cheers
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2. No timeline
3. I do not think that there is a way to transfer them from CC3 to CC3+ at this time, but I could be wrong
4. Being tactful works
;-)
That is too bad, I would have preferred a working solution to a product return. I will wait for some more input, maybe someone knows a way after all.
As a technician I prefer direct and precise over tactful
cheers
1. Install CC3 too, whether you want to or not. You don't have to use it.
2. Install the annual into CC3.
3. Import the symbols ... just like any other imported symbols ... into CC3+.
4. Make the CC3+ catalog(s) that you need for the imported symbols.
Full instructions on importing symbols and making catalogs can be found in the Tome of Ultimate Mapping.
As far as I see it CC3+ is based on some CAD program - data structure is a little over the place but not too difficult to find all directories. If the file format of CC3 and CC3+ is the same it should basically be a "copy all the stuff to the right folders and tell the program where to find them" job, no?
But thats just a guess...
Edit: oh I see you added an instruction after I wrote this, THANK YOU for that. Getting another product for documentation, to maybe be able to use part of this ... hm. Difficult choice.
If you think that CC3+ is the right cartographic program for you, and you intend to do more than casual mapping with it, I very strongly suggest that you buy the Tome. It contains almost all of the information you'll ever need. Once you learn the things in the Tome, you can check back here and doubtless get some help in things like running the FFIX macro, substituting the CC3+ @ operator for the CC3 # operator, etc.
On the other hand, if you're still open on the question if whether CC3+ is the right program for you, then you probably need to come to a conclusion on which mapping program you want to use before you spend more money.
As for the question if CC3+ is the right program for me: I bought the CC3+ CD3+ DD3+ Bundle and the SS4 addon ... That was some investment, so I am going to stick with it.
The interface is a little counter-intuitive, but that is the whole CAD approach how things should work.
What I find disturbing is how crash prone the program is - as soon as you come near the 4GB Memory mark, it goes bye-bye. Hopefully thats something that will be improved (there wont be a 64bit version I am sure).
For now I will just return the Annual I guess.
Once its made compatible for CC3+ I can still come back for it.
Thanks again for your very helpful answer!
Fractalizing is limited by Windows. And I don't use symbols at continent level maps.
Can you give us an example of what you are doing when it crashes ?
Mostly I do battlemaps in DD3+ sizes around 60x40, but it does not really matter (same under CC3+ or CD3+ maps). If you use it long enough, switch between styles, import bitmap fills, change around sheet effects, whatever, the memory usage goes up and up and around 3.5 - 4 gig the application crashes. (just watch the memory allocation)
Same 100% reproducible behavior under two different Windows 7 Professional 64bit setups (completely different Hardware - one a high end gaming machine, other a robust workstation)
Edit:
I did a little experimenting - Sheet Effects seems to be the killer here. Memory usage goes through the roof when you activate and play around with them (which I do a lot) - memory usage does not go back down when you deactivate them though - thats something the programmers need to look into. Clean up processes are either not there or not working correct.
But I haven't been using sheet effects.
As for it crashing, I save often, but not to one filename.
I save as to filename01_001 to start, make a few changes, save as to filename01_0002, etc. So if it crashes, i haven't lost much.
Someone with more knowlegde than me will have to help on the crashing problem.
cheers
Try it yourself. Turn on sheet effects. add some stuff, change around effects. redraw. zoom. watch the memory.
CC3+ has less crashes I've noticed than CC3.
Also you want to check that no other programs got stuck running in the background that could be causing memory resources to be eaten up and that you don't have heavy memory usage programs auto-running in the background.
To say it as clear as possible: the problem is the application.
The issue is clear and 100% reproducible. If an application hogs memory until it crashes no well meant OS grooming will solve anything. Believe me, I am a sysadmin! And I have tried turning it off and on again