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    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2011
     
    When I started trying to get all the material to use and learn this program, I downloaded Update 10 with no problem. I finally got to Microsoft's site and downloaded NET Framework 1 and got the CD2-compatability patch to install, but I have no symbols, same as before. I started to type that I could use the DD2-compatability patch before I got the MS DL, but I may have initially installed DD2. Once I upgrade to CD3 and DD3, those and CC3 will supersede all my version 2 stuff, correct? It might be useful to obtain the older symbol catalogs, though. I may need help with that.

    As a matter of fact, it would be quite helpful if I could post a screenshot of my Profantasy files so you guys could help me organize this stuff efficiently.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2011
     
    When you install the DD2 Compatibilty, you should have a dungeon designer icon next to the CC3 icon to the far right of the topmost toolbar (Assuming you are using the full toolbar set, and not the simple toolbar). If you do not have This dungeon designer icon in your toolbar, open up the CC3 installation folder, and double click on the CC3MenuConfig.exe file found inside (Under Vista/Win 7 you might need to right click on it and select "run as admin"). This doesn't appear to do anything, but it will update your menu files to have the appropriate extension icons (This is actually where the .net issue comes into play. This file was originally developed in .net. However, installing CC3 Update 10 [after installing the compatibility updates], will replace this with a version that does not require .net)

    Once the menu files is updated, you should be able to click the dungeon designer button to get access to the dungeon designer symbol catalog buttons. Symbol catalogs can also be opened manually by clicking the "Open symbol catalog" button on top of the symbol catalog windows, and browse to the symbols\dungeon folder inside your CC3 installation folder.

    As for the DD2 compatibility update versus DD2 itself. Make very sure that you do NOT install the regular DD2 at all. If you do, it will mess up your CC3 installation (You can install it into a CC2 installation if you have CC2 installed obviously, but never into the CC3 directory)

    Yes, DD3 and CD3 superseeds DD2 Pro and CD2 Pro. The version 3 updates contains everything from the older versions, plus additional stuff.
    • CommentAuthorpool7
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2011
     
    I can't seem to find SymEncrypt in my CC3 registration page.
    Is that supposed to be available to everyone? Or maybe upon request?

    Thanks!
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2011
     
    Should be on the "Downloads" tab, at the bottom of the "For Campaign Cartographer 3" box. I assume it will only show up if you have registered CC3.
    • CommentAuthorpool7
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2011
     
    I did register CC3 at the time of purchase; however the only downloads I have under "For Campaign Cartographer 3" are:
    CC3 Update 10
    Updated CC3 Manual
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2011
     
    In that case, might be simplest to just contact ProFantasy Tech Support then. I am sure they will set you up with a copy, or fix the registration page issue.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2011 edited
     
    Against all odds, I'm still tryin' to get the hang o' this. Just popped for the CD3 and DD3 upgrades. However, I have a map I've been working on, it's a wilderness map and somehow, I have one river and one road on the grid sheet. Can I move elements from one sheet to another?
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2011
     
    Sure. Hide everything but the grid sheet. That is in the Sheet requestor.

    Right click the Change Properties icon on left side of CC3. Select the 'Chage Sheet menu item. Then select the river. You can type the name of the sheet you want to move it to River, or go back to the Sheet requestor and select one from there.

    Then do the same for the Road, except move it to the Road sheet.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2011
     
    Note that in addition to JimP's method, you can also just use the basic "Change Properties" for this as well. The sheet is the bottom setting in this dialog.
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    Thanks, guys.
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    Seems I have a bit of a problem. I downloaded the pdf tutorials for CD3 and they refer to an "all city drawing tool." It's the same symbol for the CC3 all drawing tools, but it's not amongst my buttons when I select CD3.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011
     
    It should be the 4th symbol down on the 2nd toolbar on the left. To the right of the "Grid Overlay" button.

    If you don't have it, can you post a screenshot of your toolbars there?
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011 edited
     
    Well, that only took forever and a day like everything else in my life! Figured I'd go ahead and post the other side.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011 edited
     
    I really need help here. My organizational skills suck any more and this computer stuff gives me headaches. I threatened to do this a few posts ago, so I figure, why not? I'm fiddlin' in the dark nowadays. I reread the installation guidelines for the CD3 and DD3 Upgrades, then went thru and uninstalled or deleted everything associated with CC2 that I could find (probably missed some) plus anything "compatible" and reopened CC3. Couldn't get a city or dungeon menu even though I have the upgrades. So, here's a screen shot of my whole installation. Please tell me what I should delete, what I should put in folders and how to organize this mess. Thanks so much.
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    I have something called "Search Everything" on this ugly beast of mine and when I pull up CD3 and DD3 (I reinstalled them), all the files are in the CC3 folder. However, in the CC program, I now have a city button (that does nothing) and no dungeon button. Please, someone help this idiot sort this out.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    exit CC3 and run the CC3MenuConfig program. It will exit with no messages.

    Now your CD3 and DD3 buttons should work.
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    Thanks. Wasn't so sure when nothing actually opened. Then tried "Run as Admin," then "Safe Run." The latter said the file was already open, so I knew something was up. Opened CC and there they were! Had a bit of confusion because the symbol buttons were in a different place, but it looks as if I now have the full array. Now all I need is some coaching on deleting unneeded files and organizing the rest.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    I have them by what I'm working on.

    so I have a Crestar folder, and under that are folders for the nations on crestar, the oceans, etc.

    crestar
    outerocean
    surfacemaps


    Under those folders are these folders:

    done
    savedas

    So I have crestar\surfacemaps\done and crestar\surfacemaps\savedas

    The saved as folder has the filename01, filename02, etc.

    The done folder contains the finished maps I'll be uploading.

    my starship site has a similar set of folders.
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    I'm still fighting this. I've started my city map and I have walls, a gate and guard towers. I have two 10" paved roads in town, then 10' dirt going to the towers. When I try to Draw my roads, every time I hit an entity, the line shoots off in some crazy direction. I've tried attach and messing with the node points, but I can find no consistent way to go from point A to point B, intersecting C if I have to put a node on C.
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    What about all those .dll extensions and the other funky files not included in my folders? Some of them are holdovers from CC2, I'm sure and I'd like to clean up this directory as much as I can, but I'm just not sure what they all do yet.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    I just put the roads in, using smooth path. I don't worry about using Intersect and perpendicular attach methods.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2011
     
    I'm sorry to say, but this installation looks awfully messed up. Many buttons are on the wrong toolbars, and many things are in the CC3 program folder that do not belong there.

    It is generally a bad idea to install a program into Window's "My Documents" folder - it's for documents, not for software installations. "My Maps" and your own CC3 custom stuff can and should go there, but not the CC3 installation.

    I strongly recommend a complete deinstallation of DD3/CD3/CC3, save your own maps in a safe place, then get rid of the above folder completely.
    Then get the latest download for your CC3 and add-ons and do a fresh install. Don't install CC2 Pro at all, just use CC3.

    If you are using any OS despite Windows Vista, use the default program directly offered by the installation (Should be something like C:\Program Files\Profantasy\CC3) to install. If you have Vista, use C:\Profantasy\CC3\.

    Run and test CC3. It should be clean, no other buttons for add-ons present. Once you're satisfied it runs properly, install your City Designer 3 and Dungeon Designer 3 add-ons. There is no need to install anything CC2 Pro related, just use the "3" versions, even if they say "upgrade".

    Again, run and test CC3 with these add-ons. If anything weird comes up, install the CC3 Upgrade 10 at the end, although that shouldn't be necessary.

    Hope that helps.
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    I have Win 7, 64-bit. I gave up on Vista because there was just too many frills and went to Linux Mint. Nice OS, but it had about a million options and I couldn't get the deb files to work. I'm still struggling with Win 7, but it's better for me than what I had. I should've thought about a re-install as soon as I picked up DD3 and CD3, but the pit bull in me just keeps gnawing away.
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    I've uninstalled everything, reinstalled CC3 and am downloading CD3. In trying to get a handle on this mess, I moved all the "hanging" files in the install to a "Misc. Files" folder, but I saw some CC2 notations in some of those files. Is that right?
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2011
     
    Some of the help files are probably based on CC2, but those parts of CC3 haven't changed from CC2 to CC3.
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    Man, it takes a bit of forever to get all this stuff downloaded. I really wish I wasn't so behind on everything else in my life!
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    I'm sorry. I need help on the most basic stuff. I put everything in the CC3 folder in Programs (x86) including My Maps. When I try to open to that folder in CC3, it isn't available. Now, I suspect that it has to do with the type of file, but the other folders are there. A folder is a folder, regardless of the files it contains. So, why aren't My Maps available?
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    OK, I found the problem. I'm afraid I'm going to have to have my hand held getting this set up properly. I uninstalled everything and did a new install using the recommended settings, but when I opened CC3 again, it opened from my Documents folder! My Maps were in the Program (x86) folder. Sent the Documents copy to the trash and opened the fcw.32 icon. CC3 opened, but everything I downloaded was missing. Tried to run the menu config file and was notified that it wasn't available. I've since restored the trashed copy, so I have an evidently full program running in My Docs and a truncated one in the Programs folder. I'd really like to get this set up properly so I can reasonably follow along on the tutorials.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2011 edited
     
    I have this all screwed up now. I've spent the better part of a day downloading stuff and now nothing works right anywhere. Earlier, I had a nice presentation with all the right buttons, but now it's all gone. Just did my "Everything" search and CD3 and DD3 aren't even on my computer now. Where the hell did they go? God, I hate these machines!
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2011 edited
     
    Can you do a search for the file FCW32.exe? Is it still on your system.

    We might be better off taking this to tech support. Please see my email.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2011 edited
     
    It's there and I opened it, but it's essentially bare. I'm going to post some attachments. If it's too much bandwidth, go ahead and delete once we have this sorted out. The first is the fcw32.exe opened from Programs (x86). The second is the upper half of the Programs (x86) install with the lower half below that. I moved the Update 10 from Documents to this folder and also copied My Maps into it. The last shot is the install in Docs. It's interesting that my beginning city map, when opened from Programs (x86) is missing the walls, but isn't when opened from Docs.
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    I've installed Team Viewer, but like everything else techno, I'm gonna need help getting it going.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2011
     
    I've saved all the images locally and removed them from this thread to make things a little less cluttered.

    That you walls are not visible is no surprise since, you don't have CD3 installed yet. Overall the installation doesn't look to bad, you're only missing two toolbars. Please click the little tool icon on the bottom of the screen) next to "Grid" and activate the "File Toolbar" (point it up), and both "Right Toolbars" (point it right). See attached image.
      Toolbars.jpg
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    Ralf, I really appreciate your help.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2011 edited
     
    Well, figured I'd do a bit more on my city, but these damned roads just keep shooting off in weird directions! Using smooth path isn't helping.I can't seem to get a road connected in an intersection w/o it shooting off to the nearest endpoint. At least, I think that's what's happening.

    Fixed. My attach was set wrong.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2011
     
    Too many damned symbols! Workin' on my city and I'm havin' trouble recognizing what I'm seeing. Is there a master catalog that'll tell me what all these symbols represent? I know I can do a search from the symbol master, but I'm not experienced enough to know what search terms to use. For instance, in my market area I placed some tents and to the outside of those, I started placing buildings, but wading through all the symbols is quite tedious and I'm never sure what I'm placing. I mean there should be a blacksmith in the market and I'm pretty sure I could search using that term, but what of the other buildings? Just how do I narrow this stuff down?
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2011
     
    CD3 generally don't provide building symbol by function, so you won't have much luck searching for blacksmith, shop etc.
    This is primarily because a blacksmith looks like any other building when seen from above, so basically any of houses in the catalog will work as a blacksmith, just pick a house the looks like the kind of building you wish this particular blacksmith to be in.

    CC3 doesn't have a search facility that works inside of symbol catalogs, so it isn't possible to narrow down individual symbol catalogs further.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2011
     
    I basically use the large ones for city halls, barracks. And the small one for shops.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2011
     
    Man, cities are hard! The symbols are shifting all over the place for one thing and I'm havin' a problem with scale. Think I hafta start over on Allis.
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2011
     
    Select a symbol from the symbols displayed on the left side of CC3.

    Right click the mouse. Unclick 'smart tracking' on the popup.

    Now you will have more control over the symbol placement.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2011 edited
     
    Gads, what a persnickety program! Still having problems with symbol placement. I've discovered there's an offset dialed in for placement, but I can't find where to change it. I've searched help, played w/ stuff and can't seem to get my symbols to place where my cursor puts them. I really don't do well with unlimited options these days and CC# has thousands along with the add-ons, it's pretty damned bewildering.

    Only took me hours, but I found it. Had to disable smart tracking. I had already unchecked smart tracking but hadn't checked the disable box.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2011
     
    Well, my scale is still jacked up. My castle compound is dwarfed next to the other city buildings.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2011
     
    I'm still tryin' to get this thing, but I'm afraid I'm just past my prime. Anyway, I'm tryin' to get a reasonable city map and I numbered my grid (yes, I know there's that option when it's created, but it wasn't what wanted and has a tendency to disappear). Anyway, is there any way of resetting the numbering w/o closing the program?
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2011
     
    If you are using number labels, after you have clicked on the button, but before placing your first number, you can see that CC3 is requesting the starting number at the command line. If you ignore this, and start placing numbers, it will continue from where you left off, but if you instead just type any number (like 1), followed by [enter], it will start at the provided number instead.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2011
     
    Thanks
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2011
     
    This is frustrating as all get out. How do I draw a closed contour line? I've clicked "smooth path," used both "attach" and the endpoint modifier tool and I can't get my lines to match up.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2011
     
    Use "Smooth Polygon" with "Hollow" fill style to draw a closed contour line. Or you can use "Path to Poly" to close an existing smooth path.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2011
     
    This is definitely not easy, but nothing is any more.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2011
     
    Is there any way to search the symbol catalogs? I know I saw a stables symbol, but now I can't find it.
    • CommentAuthorbloodymage
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2011
     
    Found the stables. How in the heck do I get these little pieces (of wall) to line up and attach properly?