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    • CommentAuthorolona
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2008 edited
     
    Hey, am excited over CD3 is finally ready, but where can I buy it? I would like to pay in dollars, but am from Norway so trying to get it from this profantasy is not possible...

    City Designer Pro product page
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2008 edited
     
    City Designer 3 isn't ready yet. It will probably be a while yet (Profantasy haven't set a date yet). It is only available on preorder.

    You cannot buy it in dollars from the Profantasy webshop, but I believe there are other online shops that carry it (Once it has been released, that is)
    • CommentAuthorolona
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008
     
    ah, I see. I understood it as it was ready, but perhaps its only CD2 that is working with CC3?

    If we pre-order CD3 now - or buy it from an online shop - will we be able to download the CD2 version which is working with CC3?

    cheers.
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      CommentAuthorMonsen
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008 edited
     
    Yes. At least as long as you order from Profantasy's web site, you will get the CD Pro compatibility update for CC3, which will let you use CD Pro with CC3.

    I don't know what happens if you buy it anywere else, but I don't think any other sites offer a CD3 preorder anyway. I do believe you would still fall under Profantasy's upgrade policy if you buy CD Pro from anywhere else, which means you get CD3 free if released within a year of your purchase, but Simon or Ralf will be able to give you correct details on that matter.
    • CommentAuthorolona
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008
     
    Hmm..arite...

    Cause last time i bough from one of the other sites rpgnow i think it was, i still downloaded the software from Profantasy' page?
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008
     
    That's right. Just register City Designer on the ProFantasy website and you can download the compatibility update so that it works in CC3. It doesn't matter where you bought it.
    • CommentAuthorolona
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008 edited
     
    Hey, thanks

    However, will I be able to download CD3 when that is released for a reduced price or falling under your upgrade policy which monsen is reffering to?

    cheers
    • CommentAuthorShadoWWW
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008 edited
     
    I have been looking forward to CD3 for 4 month already. When I saw a CD3 example in the April CA, I rejoiced. :-) I thought CD3 is finally about to be released in March and there will be the example for it. I'm still hoping I was right. If not so, let me know here, please. Well, I know the final touching is always the hardest part, and it is not easy to say when it will be released...
    • CommentAuthorRob
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008
     
    Lol some of us have been waiting over a year ;) so you learn to be paitent.
    • CommentAuthorloydb
    • CommentTimeMar 11th 2008
     
    Gets your bets in now - which first, CD3 or Duke Nukem Forever?

    :)
    • CommentAuthorDarrenHill
    • CommentTimeMar 11th 2008
     
    Now that's just cruel (still funny, though) ;)
    • CommentAuthorTheElf
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    Duke Nukem Forever

    When CC3 came out, and I upgraded, then considered package deals, and the update offers. And I seen if I buy everything that should be good. They had short ETAs about addons and thought about how much of the package would be updated in the year. It was important motivation to buy the whole package, even the stuff I wouldn't like otherwise. You see the deals and you see how it changed everything about the updates one can expect. In addition to delays I seen Vista problems as well. If Profantasy wants to make sure CD3 won't be adissapointment,they should pack some important features, and it means more developlement time needed, that means people will want more impressive stuff, that means they will need even more dev. time, etc.
    • CommentAuthorMogul76
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008 edited
     
    If you are using Windows VISTA, I would recommend you to install Windows XP on another partition and set up a dual boot system. A lot of software developers and hardware manufacturers, for that matter, are having problems with VISTA (I, for instance, know for a fact that not all printer vendors have yet released Windows VISTA drivers for their entire line-up). Most of us own a copy of Windows XP and PC’s nowadays have enough disk space (i.e. storage capacity) for two operating systems.

    As for City Designer 3, I can understand your resentments. I have pre-ordered CD3 myself. Others have been waiting for the release of this module for over a year. At the moment, it is still uncertain when CD3 will be released. It could be a matter of just a few weeks or several months. I personally believe that the majority of the community would be extremely pleased to receive more detailed information about the release date, but Simon has mentioned on several occasions that ProFantasy cannot provide us with an estimate yet. I don’t know the exact reasons why this isn’t possible. Perhaps an explanation is that none of the programmers can dedicate themselves to this project on a full-time basis, which is understable since hardly anybody can make a living by „just“ working in the roleplaying industry. Now, we have all seen the nice screenshots of the CD3 beta version on Simon’s website. Is there any slight possibility that you might make a preliminary version of CD3 available to all of those who have pre-ordered... even if it isn’t completely stable and all the new features have not been implemented yet? Or would this - at the current stage of the project - be an irresponsible thing to do?
    • CommentAuthorloydb
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    I think they decided they were tired of publicly missing deadlines for it, and that the only way to avoid doing it again was not state a deadline. It will be done when it's done, and I'm sure it will be cool. I'm more annoyed at the lack of manual for CC3.
    • CommentAuthorTheElf
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    Mogul76: the problem is with dual boot:

    1. some of my hardware isn't compatibile with older versions of Windows
    2. depends on the licence, you can't use OEM licence on other hardware, some licences for Microsoft partners aren't that downgrade friendly :)
    • CommentAuthorMogul76
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    @TheElf:

    :-) That’s why I buy my PC’s without any preinstalled software (but I do own a legal copy of the OEM version of Windows XP Professional). What kind of hardware are you talking about? Graphic cards?

    @loydb:

    I’m actually quite pleased with the CC3 documentation. We have access to a starter manual, a detailed help file as well as the excellent annuals. If you don’t own the 2007 annual and can afford it, make sure to get it. It’s worth every penny!
    • CommentAuthorTheElf
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008
     
    Mogul76: Tuner card is an example.
    Wifi card is another
    etc.

    And OEM version can be only legally used if you buy it with some hardware AND you use it with that hardware (in case of warranty you can use it with the replacement)

    In case of subscribtions, program benefits, etc. Microsoft Partners tend to have, it is Vista anyway :)
    • CommentAuthorDkarr
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008 edited
     
    Let's bring the discussion back on topic. The software licensing discussion is considered off-topic to CD3.
    • CommentAuthorPatrakis
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    What i am most anxious to get from CD3 are the new bit maps for rooftops and land covers.
    • CommentAuthorTheElf
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
     
    Dkarr: The problem that is "on topic" about it: With the so many delays, the problems with the software we can't know what we get when we buy profantasy software, it is mostly about broken trust. If Profantasy wants to restore most of it, they should make sure: CD3 is very very good, it should worth the delay, and the quality of software should show: Time spent on other products (like you have to pay for annual if you want a decent documentation), and wasn't the most important aspect, since CD3 should have far more than just new symbols.

    The new effects for shadows can look good and can be useful in some cases. (If you use the map outside CC3 you can apply effects on it in any graphics package you own, so in that case these effects just save some time)

    But to make a city good, we should also make it crowded, little space between buildings, without having to redesign most of them on our own, even if we use street tools. Also for larger cities, it would be good to have some "neighborhood" tools. Also if street tool would detect intersections and the buildings on other road and would adjust. (Major timesaver, easy to use tool that allows to make such maps for each adventure one runs, etc)

    If they would want to make things good: Layers / sheets based on function of building (to be searchable)
    A tool to make a floorplan from most map symbols (based on scale, looks, etc) for easier mapping (rooms placed, items aren't)

    Support for undeground settlements (cave cities near surface, dwarven cities in mines, drow cities in underdark) or special cities (elven "cities" including settlements of wood elves, tent cities of nomads, etc)
    • CommentAuthorShadoWWW
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
     
    It would be cool if there will be a tool to make the city "live". I mean to automatically deploy symbols of people randomly in streets. Preferably somehow smart.
  1.  
    We are getting some valuable programming work for CD3 done this week. The main differences between CD Pro and CD3 are:
    Support for PNG fill styles
    new PNG symbols and tiles, including varicolor roofs.
    Roof shading and global shadows
    Automatic floorplan creation from selected buildings or symbols.

    There's lots of other stuff we'd like to add, but the above will definitely be included.
    • CommentAuthorDkarr
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
     
    Posted By: TheElfWith the so many delays, the problems with the software we can't know what we get when we buy profantasy software, it is mostly about broken trust. If Profantasy wants to restore most of it, they should make sure: CD3 is very very good, it should worth the delay, and the quality of software should show


    I'm sorry I don't understand where the "broken trust" statement would even come from.

    I've been a ProFantasy customer for many years and in each iteration of their software (from CC-Dos to CC3) they have provided a product of superb quality. Not only that but the quality of their products, for the price, can't be beat. In addition, their involvement with their community is beyond what I've ever seen from any other company. I can't count the amount of questions that Simon, Linda and Ralf answer on a consistent basis on the Yahoo list. And to top it off their customer service is absolutely awesome.

    Have some of their products related to CC3 had problems with Vista? Yes. But on the other hand name a company that has not. But they have gone out of their way to fix those. And about 9 times out of 10 the problems are user related and nothing to do with the software.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have CD3 now. Yes, there have been delays but saying that they have "broken trust" with their customer base because of delays is quite a stretch. I'm willing to give PF the time they need to give us something that works, rather than something that has problems.

    To this date they have never disappointed.
    • CommentAuthorTheElf
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
     
    About PNG symbols and tiles, it is good with varicolor, etc. but I think the key issue here is: How these symbols work.

    If you remember how castle walls work, you can see a good way to connect many symbols next to each other. streets, etc. can work in a similar way, but as you can guess it might need a bit more flexibility (more angles supported, etc) and a tool to let these buildings follow a road. That could be basic a good improvement.
    • CommentAuthorMogul76
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008 edited
     
    @TheElf: The command SHADEPOLY would probably be an answer to some of these issues. Please also see issue 11 of the 2007 Annual (if you own it).

    @Simon: Sounds good. Keep us updated! :-)
    • CommentAuthorTheElf
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
     
    Dkarr: Any customer is entitled to have a chance to make an informed decision, when they speak about 1 year upgrades, post several ETAs that shows a planned rate of art upgrades, that influences how you will see value of any given software, not meeting the ETA but building different products means: the information they provided was misleading, and it is the problem.

    Of course when upgrades are released they are free to consider who had reasons to expect these upgrades based on their information and they can live up on that (but it could be unfair for others). Or they can decide: Some of the products will worth the extra wait and paying more. This is why certain features would be more than important.

    You say you use the products since CC-Dos, nice for you, but it means: you haven't faced the choice I speak about. Buy everything when CC3 is new (including some stuff already owned, so have duplicated) and get the expected upgrades and have a semi complete collection (even the stuff I don't need for most of the time) even if CC2 versions won't be used anytime soon, buying them instead of buying when upgrades released seemed like a reasonable way (considering discounts, and that even if they aren't needed having a complete set is nice). Even if it would mean a few (less important) stuff wouldn't get upgraded.

    The discount on package deal, the expected free upgrades, the expected upgrade costs, etc. were all balanced and considered. As you can see, in this case the delay ads to the cost, the problems with Vista compatibility limited usefulness. As you see this isn't just "ohh, I have to wait a bit more".

    For you: Annual means you get something new as well as some upgrades, and it can be a good value.
    For me: it means, they make symbols and art for another product while the clock was ticking and the delayed upgrades will cost me money as extra, and the annual looks limited usefulnes, and Vista compatibility isn't only about Vista if you understand me well.

    Since early versions of windows, the goal was to allow many people to develop software, including drivers, etc. as a result a lot of 3rd party code caused system crashes, forced people to use administrator accounts constantly and it led to security issues. So with Vista Microsoft seeked to change that and enforce some rules about the code, in hopes of seeing better (more stable) software, less issues, futureproof solutions. Ignoring most of the changes and reuirements when Vista RC releases were good for testing wasn't a good idea. I can accept problems with earlier software but with CC3 it is a different story. And if CC2 and CC3 would be lightning fast, would use only a few resources I would forget about it...
    • CommentAuthorPatrakis
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008 edited
     
    Posted By: ShadoWWWIt would be cool if there will be a tool to make the city "live". I mean to automatically deploy symbols of people randomly in streets. Preferably somehow smart.


    I don't know if your comment was meant to be dark humour but if not, you don't need CD3, you need to play Sim City for a while and get away from mapping. :)

    Pat
    • CommentAuthorLatharion
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008 edited
     
    To "TheElf"... concerning the subscription-based Cartography Annual content, from what I understand, the work for this is either done by one person or is contracted out. Your argument that Profantasy should spend it's time working on core products instead of subscription products is quite invalid.

    For me, CD3's delay will only mean a higher quality product on release. Profantasy has a reputation for releasing high quality products, and for not meating deadlines. Simon is lothe to state a firm release date until he is quite sure the product is already done and "in the can". I am also sure that Profantasy will make right any free upgrade deals or agreements the company made to you or anyone else who upgraded. It has one of the highest reputations for customer support and satisfaction I've ever come across. If you have any questions or concerns regarding your purchase or upgrades, I highly recommend writing Profantasy directly. You are more likely to receive a reply from someone within 24 to 48 hours (at most) from any one of them than you will any other company.

    To Patoumonde...

    Either that or he needs to take a break from Sim City. It's kind of unrealistic to expect a CAD based program to create simulated movements of people in real-time. This is a mapping program!

    I did see some talk on the CC2 Tools yahoo group about the possiblity of creating a calendar and linking it to maps (which could be used for all sorts of nifty things like having sheets that track a group based on the date, etc...) Maybe this kind of thing could be used in a similar way to to what ShadoWWW requested?
    • CommentAuthorRob
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    What i think TheElf is commenting on here is originally the Dates where DD3 within 6 months, CD3 within a year or the like.. some of us got the packages etc and waited the problem being there that Profantasy has stated that you only get the free art upgrade if the product comes out within a year of you purchasing the product.

    So in the case of City Designer that means those who have brought it less then 1 year ago are fine those of us who have been waiting 1 1/2 years (think that's right now maybe longer?) have to pay out for it and i think that's what he's upset about.
    • CommentAuthorPatrakis
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    I bought CD2 pro a second time around chrismas time because the site specifically said the it was also the preorder of CD3. Even if it's delivered 2 years from now, i should think i preordered it anyway and won't pay for it again at that time.

    Might be handy if Ralph or Simon would come clear this out. :)

    Pat
    • CommentAuthorLatharion
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    I feel sure they will. It is the weekend for them so we probably won't hear anything until Monday.
    • CommentAuthorDeathQuaker
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2008 edited
     
    Posted By: RobWhat i think TheElf is commenting on here is originally the Dates where DD3 within 6 months, CD3 within a year or the like.. some of us got the packages etc and waited the problem being there that Profantasy has stated that you only get the free art upgrade if the product comes out within a year of you purchasing the product.

    So in the case of City Designer that means those who have brought it less then 1 year ago are fine those of us who have been waiting 1 1/2 years (think that's right now maybe longer?) have to pay out for it and i think that's what he's upset about.


    Well, presumably that promise was made when they thought CD3 was coming out sooner; I think among other things the release of Windows Vista screwed that up. I'd think/hope that since they couldn't stick to anything close to their original release schedule (for COMPLETELY understandable reasons), they'd give the upgrade to anyone who purchased CD2 after CD3 was in the works, more or less.

    I could be wrong though... that might be unfeasible to do, among other things. (And yeah, i think I bought CD2 thinking I'd get CD3 sooner and am probably technically past the 1 year range at this point... but if I have to buy the upgrade and can't afford it/don't think it's worth my money for the wait, etc., I just won't buy it. At least I still have CD2 to work with.)
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      CommentAuthorEugee
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2008 edited
     
    I've been looking at CC3 for some time now, and thinking about picking it up. As my time spent on VTTs keeps going up, I find the value of the software greater and greater. Now I plan to get CC3 & DD3 already--like by the end of the week. But, if I knew that getting the World Builder bundle would mean I'm buying CD3 (even if it's more than a year from now) then I'm getting that bundle. If I'm gambling on whether or not it's finished in a year? Sorry I'll take a pass on that--and I doubt I'd ever get the fractal software either, so that seems like lost profit to me.

    I don't mind how long it takes--from what I've seen of CC3 & DD3, I want you to take your time! But from my viewpoint, FTM & CD3 appeal to me as part of the bundle only, so it's important for me to know if my pre-order means, "till CD3 is ready" or "if CD3 is ready in the next year". If it's the former, then I'll be ordering one bundle. :)
    • CommentAuthorsdavies2720
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008 edited
     
    I would suggest sending that question directly to PF, if you haven't already. Only they can answer it and while they check these boards frequently, the direct question is more likely to get a direct answer.

    Steve
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008
     
    Ah, sorry didn't see the question. Yes, buying the World Builder bundle means buying a CD3 pre-order (and CD Pro right now).
    • CommentAuthorNeonKnight
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008 edited
     
    I know for a fact Profantasy will stick to their word. When I first purchased the software, it was way back i the day of CC2 (after CC DOS and before CC Pro, V5 I believe). I ordered, and waited, and waited, and waited. Finally I emailed and was told it was shipped, give it another week. So I did, Still nothing. So they re said they would resend. Waited a week: nothing. Took a DEEP breath, waited another week, nothing. By now more than two months have gone by with no software. Finally they shipped a 3rd time, paying extra out of their pocket to get it to me in two days.It finally showed up. No idea what ever happened to the other copies. Do I blame Profantasy?

    Sure, I could have blamed them. I have dealt with other online retailers I will never ever touch again no matter how good a deal they profess to give me. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    But Profantasy is not this kind of company. I've been waiting since the release of CC3 too, and those of use who have CD Pro (or in my case, Just CD2), we would like the new bells and whistles and toys of the new program, but I will wait, and do what I can until then.

    Take your time Simon. I'll wait. You have earned my trust and respect.
    • CommentAuthorShadoWWW
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2008
     
    New CA 16 (April 2008) is out! And VERY nice. Great job! I've got just a question: In 'Building' paragraph in PDF documentation is mentioned House command. However, my housecommand still shows window from CD2 and not the one in PDF documentation (perhaps from CD3). Is it OK that the house command doesn't show the new window? And how to make buildings with the new building options in CA 16 afterwards?
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2008
     
    I'm sorry, the new house command is not included in the Annual, you'll have to wait for City Designer 3 to use it. You'll be limited to the CD2 functionality at the moment, if you use the template and style from the April isssue. It should still be useful and allow you to create some nice maps.
    • CommentAuthorShadoWWW
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2008
     
    Thanks Ralf for your quick response. I thought It's not included (but I hoped... :-( ). Nevermind, the new drawing tools are amaizing, like the whole new annual. It is nice the bitmaps seems to be varicolor. It might hande much new cool work. I'm gonna "play" with it till the final CD3 is out.
    Thanks for the CD3 example.
    • CommentAuthorShadoWWW
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008 edited
     
    In our world imps build pagodas and drink tea. Will CD3 support pagodas?
    • CommentAuthorjackypaper
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2008 edited
     
    Imps and pagados? Now that sounds interesting.
    • CommentAuthorShadoWWW
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2008 edited
     
    Posted By: jackypaperImps and pagados? Now that sounds interesting.

    Off topic, but as you wish:
    Imps are a marry nation. They like fun and drinking their excellent tea. Their tea is popular and well known for all other nations of the world. Some of them have a magic talent and in that case they are one of the best wizards in the world (equal to noble elves). Imps built pagodas, but only mountain imps build it nowadays, because Pagodas are too bound up with wizards…
    A thousand-year-old-empire of imps is divided into two parts: forest imps and mountain imps. Their history is full of dark moments, especially with wizards. Imps’ wizards from the Golden Forest used to abuse their power to dominate all other forest imps. The abused imps rose against them and there came civil war, which divided empire of imps into few countries. Nowadays, countries on the north hate wizards and spells are strictly prohibited there. Countries on the south don’t like them too, but tolerate them. Imps with magic talent from north migrate to the south and seek asylum now to prevent their persecution. The other way is to go to the Imps’ Hills, where their mountain brothers live. Mountain imps live separately and don’t interfere with the forest land and the forest imps, they didn't even be a part of the civli war. And there is another land as well. Dark land Fu, from where came the first dark imp wizard. He is dead and land Fu is taboo land now. However, prophecy says an evil will come again from Fu in future.
    There is another big enemy as well, the biggest one – Khar the Daemon and his goblins and his dragon-men. Khar is the enemy of all live from the start. He fought against very old and noble and advanced empire of Arvedans’ nation on the far south. When Khar conquered the Arvedans’ empire, he started to make war against imps from the Golden Forest. However, the imp wizards were too good in magic and they were repelling the invasion of goblins. Thus he poisoned minds of the imp wizards and make (let) them drive the empire into civil war.
    Few decades ago men from the northern continent Lendor have come to southern continent Tara and made goblins pull back to the south and east. However, the Golden forest (Zlaty les) and Imps’ Hills (Skritci vrchy) lie on the border between men on the north and west and goblins on the east now.

    You can see a map of the north of Tara continent, where you can see Golden Forest – Zlaty les and Imps’ Hill – Skritci vrchy, or a map of Tara and the northern continent Lendor together. And here is a map of the Farlands (Dalavy) - a land on the north-west by Golden Forest.

    This all is only a very little part of the Asterion realms. You can see other maps from Asterion here. There are many other maps, but they haven't been published at the internet, so I cannot publish them. However, the Asterion has been released in Czech language only. Its publisher Altar thinks English speaking players wouldn’t be interested, because they have Forgotten Realms etc. already.
    • CommentAuthorloydb
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2008
     
    Just to take this further off-topic, those are some nice maps :)
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    A few CD3 points.
    1. CD3 is not being delayed by any other work ProFantasy is doing, for example, the annual. It is being delayed but the availability of our top programmer. He is brilliant, and no one else knows how to work with an update the code like he does. We are slowly gettting there, and work is progressing. We aren't twiddling out thumbs wondering how else to use our time while doing nothing on CD3. We are looking at ways to avoid this issue in the future.

    2. Of course we will honour any commitments to free upgrades. That is, up to a year after the purchase date, and in the specfic case of CD3, eveeyone who bought after early August last year gets a free upgrade whatever happens.

    3. What has delayed us was fixing the issues thrown up by about 5% of Vista installations. These are now fixed. The development time spent on Vista was all time that otherwise would have been spent on CD3. We've spent about the same programming time on each. It's just a frustrating part of software development.

    4. CD3 will not do everything you want it to. It will do better looking maps with PNG artwork, improved house styles, and create floorplans from selected buildings, but in the first instance, not much else more than CD Pro. We will release it when these features are stable. We'll then add more stuff.
    • CommentAuthorLatharion
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2008 edited
     
    Vista strikes another developer! Curse you Vista! (said while shaking fist in air) :)

    Simon, I think I speak for most of the CC3 users when I say that I am really excited by CD3 and the new artwork being developed for it. I realize that there may not be much improvement over my curent CD Pro installation at the moment, but I also realize that Profantasy is commited to creating extremely high quality products. I can't wait to see what you have planned for the future of CD3!
  3.  
    So any news yet when City Designer 3 wil be out. Its been a month and still no word yet
    • CommentAuthorJimP
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2008
     
    Nope, Profantasy doesn't do that. They will let us know when it is available.
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      CommentAuthorRalf
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2008
     
    Sorry, no news about CD3 at the moment.
    • CommentAuthorgev
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2008 edited
     
    Posted By: ShadoWWWYou can see a map of the north of Tara continent, where you can see Golden Forest – Zlaty les and Imps’ Hill – Skritci vrchy, or a map of Tara and the northern continent Lendor together. And here is a map of the Farlands (Dalavy) - a land on the north-west by Golden Forest.

    I see the Czech letters in your maps. How did you get this working? My install of CC3 doesn't produce Czech letters even with the system UTF-8 fonts like Arial...? I have install on English XP Pro and Czech Vista X64...
    • CommentAuthorRob
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Simon a small question, will the basic updated HOUSE etc features be made avalible to those of us with just CDpro (ie those of us who say brought CC3, DD3, CD2 all at the same time (it was over a year ago so I don't see that i'm getting the upgrade for free :( ) I know we won't get the artwork, but I'm just wondering about the 'core' updates such as the roof shading etc.

    Or are we going to be expected to pay in my case 50 or more $ to get those features?

    I appologise if it sounds narky or the like, just been waiting for CD3 for a while and realising that when it comes out now I'm definantly not getting it for free as the year is over from when I brought CD. :( So I'm wondering if I get any of the fancy new features at all.